a brief history of the value of time
As a recent father the topic of the value of my time has been running through the old noggin a lot recently, and then lo and behold young ERG goes and writes a lovely post about it, pushing it even further to the front of my cranium.
I found I had a fair bit to say on the comments section there and wanted to explore my thoughts further, so at the risk of totally ripping off his post idea, here they are (sorry Guy!) – hopefully I’ve got a few new things to say about it though 🙂
I thought it would be fun to travel back in time and try to remember how I’ve valued my time at different stages in my life, and see if you guys felt the same kinds of things and also here your thoughts on it if they differed?
childhood
Up to the age of about 13 time is the only real currency you posses, barring a bit of pocket money and trading stuff with your mates of course. Although I’m not sure I was cognizant of this fact directly, I’m certain I valued my time very highly at this stage of my life, without being able to put an exact monetary value on it. I didn’t hate school as such but there were hundreds of things I could think of that I would rather be doing, and I definitely disliked elements of it such as being told what to do and when to do it 🙂
I remember thinking that free time (i.e. time outside of school and a few other activities I didn’t particularly like doing such as shopping for shoes with my parents) seemed really rather short. I also remember my parents telling me to make the most of it as things only get worse as you get older… I didn’t believe them for some strange reason but of course now I realise they were telling me the cold hard truth! Bonus lesson for any budding 6 year old FI seekers reading: Listen to your parents!
teenager
Time becomes even more scarce when you hit your teens, what with extra curricular clubs, more and more homework, and cramming for exams, and as the laws of supply and demand dictate it should therefore in theory become even more valuable to us.
Isn’t it strange then that we voluntarily go and do paper rounds and get Saturday jobs paying an absolute pittance? The reason of course is that we’ve learnt about money buy now and the standard advice is of course you earn money to buy a load of shit that you want*
*That have been heavily advertised to you
I think I’ve been aware that spare time is important at all stages throughout my life, but as money took over as the main currency I stopped thinking about it as much and I certainly didn’t think about the direct link between free time and money (oh to have been handed a copy of YMOL* 1 way back then!). Even though you know deep down that you are trading time for money, I mean it’s just obvious really, I definitely didn’t make the connection that by spending less I might be able to work less.
Following the status quo seemed the way to go at this age!
sixth form
For some reason I remember having more free time in sixth form than at any time previously during my school life, despite doing 4 A Levels and holding down a number of part time jobs. The reason for this I am sure is that I really started to value the time that I had and thought about it quite a lot. As well as doing the usual socialising, mucking about on video games and playing a bit of sports with mates, I also got into making music on the PC and would spend hours engrossed in this creative and rewarding activity. It was at this age that I really started to dread going to work a proper job and thought Uni was the way “out” as that would give me more free time, however…
first full time job
… I first decided to see what it was like being full time employed for a year and to try to save up some cash to splash at Uni. I really enjoyed the elements of earning a crust and being well paid for it as well, and seeing my bank balance burgeoning for the first time ever. However time could not have been more short! The company I worked for was very short staffed and 6 day weeks were a common occurrence (luckily overtime was compensated!).
I have to admit I can’t remember what I thought about the value of my time as the year was a bit of a blur, I just didn’t have time to stop and think about it all that much. But as I say I was trading my time for some decent wedge for once, so at least I was getting a good exchange rate!
university days daze
Free time all of a sudden shoots through the roof and ironically becomes much less valuable yet again. I ended up wasting a lot of my valuable time being hung over and watching crap on TV with mates, rather than doing productive things such as making music which was the original intention. I only regret that slightly though as the whole experience was a blast, if not an inexpensive one 🙂
Even though time was “wasted” I still knew that I wanted to continue my free time bonanza, which indicates that I did still value it quite highly. I thought about unconventional ways to make money from being a professional gambler to a golfer, none of which panned out of course 🙂
welcome to the real world!
I guess this whole article has just been building up to this point where I was in a full time job for the first time and there was no other viable alternative for the foreseeable, as this is when you really start to value your time. Although again I didn’t think about the direct link between money spent until years later, I was always looking at ideas to earn a bit of side income if possible (most of these involved gambling systems 2).
the awakening
Something started to really click in my brain around the age of 30 that
Something
Had
To
Change
I wasn’t sure what it was so I threw many ideas into the pot such as getting a new job, starting up as a freelancer, and starting some new businesses. It was around this time during my researching that I stumbled across MMM who introduced me to how you really work out the value of your time, or rather how to work out how much you are really being compensated for trading your time for money at work, via this review on Your Money Or Your Life.
It’s a simple but powerful concept which I think is worth repeating here:
- Take your (say) monthly salary
- Minus tax and other deductions
- Minus commuting costs
- Minus other work related expenses such as clothing, equipment, and so on
- Add up the number of hours you work in a month
- Add any unpaid overtime you normally do
- Add any time you spend getting ready, commuting to work, and so on
- Finally divide the first monetary figure by the second total hours to get your real hourly rate
If you haven’t ever done this before, do it now, it is eye opening and probably quite depressing!!!
As a rough example if I thought my hourly rate for being a software developer was a princely £25.64 per hour based on £50k and 37.5 hours per week then I am seriously deluded! Let’s keep it really simple and only take off tax, a train ticket and time of commuting and we are looking at something more like £33k and 60 hours a week which boils down to a relatively paltry £10.57 per hour!!!
Now next time you pay £10 for a car wash maybe you’ll think twice if you can do it yourself in half an hour?
magical time creation!
And so it is fair to say that after learning all of this stuff my time has become even more valuable to me, and not something to trade in for work without much second thought. I’ve also stopped wasting my own time and have drastically cut down on things that are a waste of time such as TV and social media 3. This has freed up more time than I ever thought I had before to do rewarding stuff like blogging, brewing beer, and smashing up parts of my house for fun (and rebuilding them, obvs) as well as trying to make a bit of cash on the side with things like matched betting, investing and generally life hacking everything that moves.
and then time becomes even more precious
That brings us up to the present day where Baby TFS has arrived and time could not be more precious, however my priorities have changed big time. It looks something along the lines of this:
- Spend time with Mrs T and the baby
- Sleep!
- Spend time with friends and family
- Matched betting
- Other stuff (Blogging, internet surfing, exercising, golf, drinking with friends, and anything else that used to be much higher up the list!)
As you can imagine that has changed quite a bit after baby T came along and matched betting has managed to sneak above all of that other stuff, but please note that this does not mean I am doing tonnes of matched betting and none of the other stuff.
And that brings us full circle really back to Guy’s post whose main point was (I think) that now that he has a couple of potentially lucrative side hustles he is viewing all of his spare time as extra earnings potential full stop, whereas I am looking at mine from almost the complete opposite angle of: I want my free time damnit!
I’ve fought hard over the last couple of years to get some of my time back and now baby T has come along I don’t want to squander it making £7 here and £5 there on some crappy bookmaker in play offers that take half an hour to complete and tie you to the laptop on a beautiful Saturday afternoon.
I don’t want this to turn into a discussion purely on matched betting but it is one of the reasons why I’ve been thinking about value of time recently, so will make one final point clear: once I’d done a few offers that earn you £20+ and take only 10 minutes, the ones that are for a lower amount and can sometimes take longer, I just cannot be bothered with, so I am targeting high value offers if I have time for it and then getting on with the fun stuff. It may be an obvious point but it seems that is not how Guy and many others are seeing it and they are just looking at doing as many offers as possible and churning through offers regardless of the profit on each one. I dare say that I am valuing my time at a higher rate that those others do at this point in time and as I mentioned on the comments to Guy at some point you have to wonder whether greed has kicked in if you are missing out on other more healthy and fun aspects of your life.
Be careful out there guys that’s all I’m saying, too much of anything is just not good for you!
Right that’s enough on matched betting now, I will write any further thoughts on a full post about it soon!
Finally just briefly going back to my list of priorities above… I am sure you could quickly and easily conjure up your own list in your head without thinking very hard about it and no doubt it may look very similar?
Let me know your thoughts on it below and how you prioritise/value your time?
Cheers! 🙂
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- I’ll continue this aside down here. I ended up earning a small amount of money out of some of them each year and we got a few nice holidays out of it, but they were all a very low ROI when you took the time spent on them into account! Matched betting is the way forward in this area 😉 ! I almost certainly should have spent that time building something else up on the side such as a blog or proper side business. Or just given matched betting a proper go a lot earlier! ↩
- That’s not to say I’ve cut them out completely, as I do think they can be very useful in our modern lives! Just use them sparingly, only when it’s benefiting you and don’t use them mindlessly like most people do. ↩
Discussion (29) ¬
Wait until you get older and time seems to slip by even faster. I still don’t know how it does that but it does. I value my time enough not to spend more that 30 minutes, each way, commuting even if it means turning down more lucrative jobs. I’ve come to the conclusion that my time is more valuable than being stuck in traffic for hours every day, and I guess that’s also a benefit of being financially independent too. Pity it takes so long to reach that conclusion. I’m intrigued by this match-betting. I’ve never heard of it before and have now come across 3 separate blogs where its being touted as a money maker. Is it a UK thing, and how risky is it?
I always put it down to the whole “relative to time alive” thing:
As in, a day to a 1 day year old baby is relatively his whole life so it must feel like aaaaages to him
A 6 week school summer holiday to me when I was 6 was still a pretty decent percentage of my living life so it felt like a very long time… long enough that I almost completely forgot about school in fact!
Now we’re all old gits a day is insignificant and even months and years can just whizz by as we’ve experienced to many of them.
Matched betting is probably biggest in the UK as we have lax gambling laws and therefore a very competitive market (You definitely won’t be able to do it in the US for example!). Not sure about NZ but do a big of googling to see if it works there I guess? It’s not for everyone but it’s a nice easy and flexible side hustle especially if you like a bit of a gamble as well.
Guy’s post did leave a slightly bitter taste in my mouth… this paragraph in particular;
‘I wonder how many people would go out for a day in the park if the entrance fee were £100? And yet I can’t help but consider that the cost of being away on a Saturday, It’s just how my mind works. These arn’t costs for things I buy.. but the cost of losing that income in order to do the activity:’
I don’t buy into blindly perusing side hustles at the expense of using that time to do something makes you happy.
Hi Richard,
I think Guy’s comment below clears up what he was really getting at, but yes of course I do agree with your point.
Spending time on any side hustle is only worth it if:
A) You find it fun (which I do, if taken in moderation)
B) It doesn’t infringe on other areas of “the good life”
It’s similar to me to spending time working on blog posts and reading other blogs (although that actually makes little to no money so would not count it as a side hustle!). I got to a stage at one point where I was doing nothing else, and thought this is ridiculous, I needed to take a break and then work out a way to do a bit of blogging and read and comment on a few other blog posts without it consuming my entire private life 🙂
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head, both in terms of my viewpoint on it and your slightly different approach to time valuation. I wish I’d thought about considering how time value changes throughout the main stages of your life as it is so very obvious now youve mentioned it!
I guess I am still at a different stage to yourself; No kids, family migrated abroad and friends are all just as busy working 14hour shifts for ‘the man’ to progress their careers. My free time wasn’t really being used particularly effectively before and so I’m more willing to measure it financially instead.
I think (and hope) all of that will change once married and with kids.. but until then I’m going to be hammering that side hustle while I still can.
I wouldn’t say I do every offer betting.. but certainly a large majority of them. I’ve started APing some of the very small ~£5 ones which means they take literally seconds to opt-in and place.
Yep and you’ve totally nailed it as well… 5 years ago I was spending lots of my spare time looking for ways to make money – usually by gambling as well, but just not very effectively!
I don’t blame you at all for hitting it hard as I would have done exactly the same thing if I’d discovered it 5 years ago and looking at it long term, it will get you to FI quicker as well.
So just to clarify I wasn’t having a go at you for over doing it on the MB’ing… just that my thoughts on it and free time/valuing time in general were a bit different that’s all (but I think you already got that being the smart cookie you are 🙂 )
Great post, TFS – love how you detailed the different stages of your life and whilst mine were not exactly the same, they were quite similar!
When I look back on my life and think about when I was most content with myself and my time, it’ll probably be when I was at uni – loads of free time, lots of socialising, no debts. Oh and learning and studying a bit of stuff too 😉 I don’t see any of that time as being wasted, although some would argue (my Mum) that I could have put that time to better use!
When I’m FI/early retired, I would like to revert back to this life, with the one big exception being that I would actually have money to spend, without having to endlessly budget!
Anyway, with regards to matched betting, barely two months in and I already know that I will not be throwing myself at every deal or offer – I’m at a different stage from you (and Guy) too! I just don’t feel that I need or want to spend too much time on it.
I know if I want to make more money from it, then I will have to put in more time and effort. That said, if it’s an easy measly £4 that I can make from bet in play, then I’ll do it! 🙂
I’ll certainly be interested to see what’s on offer with the forthcoming Euros and Olympics – maybe I’ll step up a gear then!
But certainly, I don’t want matched betting to take over all my spare time.
Glad you liked it weenie and that you have no regrets on the Uni life 🙂
I’m not one for regrets but it would be interesting to know how your life panned out if you knew about all this FI stuff at an earlier age wouldn’t it?
Yep agreed, if you are at a loose end and there’s some racing or footy on and some decent offers then why not indulge… otherwise if you are too busy having fun then totally not worth it! £4 though, I wouldn’t even get my laptop out of bed for that?! 😉
Olympics is not usually a very big betting event so would be surprised if there are any decent offers on that but it’s worth checking of course. Euros is gonna be huge I think and I will be looking to hit that hard (if I get time!)
Cheers!
Wht strike me most, is the change i priorities that seems to happen with all now fathers and mothers. The top 3 of my list looked exactly the same.
Now that we are a few years down the road with the kids, items 2 is no longer sleep.
And I need to goolgle matched betting… No idea what it is about
Glad to hear that sleep falls off the list eventually… 🙂
Not sure of the gambling laws or general scene (in terms of competition for punters) in Belgium but basically if you can bet online I see no reason why the principles wouldn’t still work over there. Check it out!
Without going into details to much… a new one on my list: be left alone on the toilet… 🙂
Gambling is not for me I guess… You have so little control over it
I’m introverted and need “alone” time to recharge. Getting a whole pile of that right now as my sabbatical continues!
My priority order remains: immediate family, sufficient rest and relaxation, profession, community. The form and proportion of each changed somewhat as each child arrived, which is to be expected. Ditto as they mature and (eventually) leave home for their own adult lives.
I’m quite outgoing in general but also need time to recharge so think I am technically an introvert, so I know exactly what you mean!
Hi TFS,
I’d never really thought about how I prioritise my time before, it normally just kind of happens. I would agree with you that time is THE most precious commodity, and for me nothing else is as important. I’ve put together what I think my list of priorities are right now…
1. Spend quality time with boyfriend/close family
2. Daily personal reflection/development time
3. Spend time with wider family/friends
4. Work on side hustles to generate income
5. Time for hobbies
I don’t know whether children will be on the cards for us, but if they do come along, I’m sure the priorities would change accordingly, just as they have for you.
OR
Hi OR… sounds like a good balanced set of priorities there.
I would imagine most peoples are roughy the same (maybe without the side hustles part) but I wonder if they really examined how they were spending their time if that matched up with their list?
Hehe, you wait till you are a really old git in about three decades and you will realise the value of time as it runs out on you 😉
> I don’t buy into blindly perusing side hustles at the expense of using that time to do something makes you happy.
This. Life is too short for matched betting, and arbitrage in general.
I sweated out three years of raw grunt at my old job so I could walk away from the siren song of the side hustle, because all to often the side hustle is a side hustle because it’s low rent. Not in all cases, for sure, but when it involves arbitrage, it’s usually low rent.
Aim to be rich enough to walk away. You don’t have to, but have the option. But each to their own, there is a time for arbitrage and a time for other things, as the Byrds song says.
Hah… hoping that I’ll have plenty of time to “waste” between now and when I’m a (really) old git 🙂
I guess that was my point really, if the matched betting is paying me a decent hourly rate then I will do it, otherwise I may as well be just doing my full time job, as it’s not particularly any more interesting (probably less).
It’s a lot more flexible which is one of the many benefits to it though and if you want to, you can juice up your earnings by putting in extra hours whereas some may not have that option at their day job.
In terms of the low rent comment, some of the offers you can make about £200 in about 20 minutes of “work”. Obviously it’s not all that easy but I will never be able to earn that effective hourly rate at my day job! If it’s all helping me be rich enough to walk away without eating too much into my other priorities then it’s all good 😉
You could of course argue it’s pretty low rent in terms of morals, but I have some other thoughts on that which I might expand on in a post soon.
Nice one TFS. Man, time at uni seemed endless, it was unreal. I could while away a day playing mario kart nae bother.
I put in enough time at work, anything else has to be pretty much for the joy of it. So writing the blog, taking photos, cycling and joinery are just for the fun of it. Hiking too, now that I found walking poles sort out my knee pain.
But then if you enjoy hunting arbitrage then it’s win win! 🙂
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Ah Mario Kart, those were the days!
Were you really badass and have the original SNES version?
GTA as well (can’t remember what version. Maybe 2 or 3)
Sounds like you have an awesome balanced life mate… kudos!
Yea it’s good fun in short bursts… which is I guess the tl;dr of the whole post!
Cheers 🙂
Wouldn’t it be amazing if time seemed to pass more slowly as we age, instead of whizzing by at an accelerating rate? But that’s not how it works. When I was a youngster, when the school year ended in the late spring, that summer ahead seemed like forever to contemplate. Every day was filled with activity–maybe that’s why. No social media… 🙂
Hi Kurt,
That is definitely one reason why time goes more quickly, the monotony of each day in the office. However that never seemed to work back at school, I remember thinking it was Friday on a Tuesday many times at school as it already felt like I’d been there the whole week! 🙂
Cheers!
Lucrative jobs are great, I left one 8 months ago. I miss the money, but not the lifestyle. It has been interesting to learn to live with less, but with a 10-month old child, I would rather be home than work all evening like I did before.
Hi Josh,
Good on you for choosing life over work! 🙂
Nice post TFS.
I like your travel back in time. A number of your comments made me smile as I recalled my past. The one thing that I do know is that the older you get the more valuable we perceive the time we have.
With regards to Matched Betting I make time for it each morning and take a few bets whilst eating my breakfast. I have done a few recently where I have questioned their worth in terms of effort. Then again I wouldn’t have been doing anything else with my time other than surfing the internet. At present I enjoy it and it is bringing in a few extra £.
I actually worked out my hourly rate for MB which if I recall correctly is a little over £50 an hour. I guess this will fall this coming month as the easy money has been taken.
Cheers
Richard
Thanks!
So true Richard. It’s hard explaining to an 15/16/17 y/o just how valuable those years are.
I like your stance on the Matched Betting. At the moment I don’t really even have time over breakfast to do anything as I’m either at work or on baby duty at home and just inhale some cereal or porridge.
I get a bit of time on the train if I’m at work and sometimes in the evenings.
I haven’t worked out my hourly rate yet and don’t think I ever will get round to that but would guess it’s also around 50/hour and that’s tax free. Much better than any day job I could get that’s for sure!
Cheers
I am actively trying to buy my time back by investing in a skill that will double my earning potential. Then I will take fewer gigs and focus on my business. I always try to say yes to my three core people, because they are the best part of my days.
Hi ZJ,
Sounds like a great plan! Double your income and work half the time rather than buy twice as much stuff which is what most people do!
Cheers!