Alternative plans for FI and a new definition: Frugally Independent
I’m writing this post on the way home from work at 8:45pm on a Monday evening which is horribly ironic not just because this is a blog about attempting to work less. You see I also had a session pencilled in for writing up my CV tonight, so I can get it out there and see if I could alter my current plan in any significant way, which is simply to ride out my current job for another five four years and then tell them where to stick it. It is almost like they knew this and set some really harsh deadlines at short notice to scupper my CV writing session! Maybe this is another reason why people work until they’re 65, they are so busy working they don’t get time to think about or do much else?! Anyway… I digress.
Is there an better plan for FI?
Guy from Early Retirement Guy wrote a few weeks ago asking for advice on his dilemma between cash or comfort; whether to take a possibly lucrative new job with potentially higher stress, or stick with the comfort of his current job that he can do with his eyes shut. This, along with tonnes of other stuff I’ve read and friends I’ve spoken with really got me thinking about other ways of achieving FI, and also what FI really means to me. I think, and if you’ve read from the beginning it should be fairly obvious, really all I want to do is free up some time, to pursue one or two admittedly aimless hobbies (golf), and a few rather more productive activities (trying my hand at the small scale business world, or “side hustling”, learning as much as possible in fields I don’t know about, volunteering for a cause I feel close to the heart of, etc…). It strikes me that FI is not really an all or nothing concept, although maybe the Internet Retirement Police (or even a new special branch… the Internet FI.B.I. perhaps?) may have something to say about that. We could argue about the pedantic details of these concepts and the definitions of specific terms all day, so rather than do that I just thought it would be easier to propose a new term:
FRUGALLY INDEPENDENT
“What does it mean?” I hear you all chant in unison!
Well it’s quite simple, it just means you have learned to live (well) below your means, and therefore do not need a high paying or even full time job to cover all your needs, and most likely all of your wants as well. You may also have built your skill-set around something you can trade your valuable time for a high hourly £££ rate, such as Wade at Destination Financial Wisdom. By avoiding lifestyle inflation and spending everything you earn (and then some) like the majority of people you already open yourself up to options. One of those options is to build a huge stash in quick time (say, 10 years), invest it all into index funds, then say goodbye to the rat race and live off the proceeds for the rest of your life. But I feel there are other options out there to the frugally independent, those who may not want to give up such a large amount of time up front before starting to get some of their time back. Delayed gratification is the cornerstone of achieving early FI, but if you can have the best of both worlds now then why the hell not? So here are a few alternate ideas of FI, or how to be Frugally Independent:
1. Freelance / Contractor work
2. Part time Work
3. Get a new job!
4. Save up 1/2/3 Years worth of expenses and go for broke setting up your own business
5. Sell house, build an eco house and live off grid, moneyless man stylee
Out of these, I am currently seriously considering the top 3 right now, so let’s go through them in more detail.
Freelance / Contractor work
You can earn anywhere between £200-£500 per day contracting from what I can gather (maybe even more, but let’s be realistic here!). Let’s assume that due to my FI (Frugally Independent) nature I can live off of £14,000 a year, which is slightly more than my original target of £10k per year. While I still think this is doable, as mentioned I will keep it realistic (and as I am currently not hitting that, it would be a bit silly not to mention hypocritical to assume that figure!). Let’s also assume I still want to save a fairly decent chunk away for “proper retirement” per yea, say £3000 into an ISA and £4000 into a SIPP which equates to £5000 saved due to the tax benefits assuming a 20% tax rate. So my total net earnings would have to be £22,000. Pre tax earnings of £28k in normal employment gets me to roughly that figure, so I will work with that (There are some added tax breaks of working for yourself, but we’ll ignore those so it doesn’t get too messy. Let’s just say, this is the worst case scenario). If I can get a day rate of £200 a day, I would have to work 28000 / 200 = 140 days, which is 28 full 5 day weeks. So that means I would get 24 weeks off per year!!!!
This sounds very pleasant, but for extra rosie tinted spectacledness (totally a word, by the way) let’s try the upper reasonable limit on day rate which would be 28000 / 500 = 56 days = 11.2 weeks of work per year. This equates to over 40 weeks off per year. Where do I sign up please?! Before I get too excited, I must remember that there would be some negatives:
- Stress of not knowing where your next pay cheque is coming from near the end of each contract
- If economy hits a bad patch, you would be the first to go (although no one is really safe nowadays!)
- Might involve lot’s of commuting to different places as you can’t afford to be too picky
- Have to learn how to do your own taxes or hire an accountant
- There would be extra hours of “non payroll” work such as keeping a portfolio, constantly updating CVs, and emailing agents in response to new contract offers.
- No paid holiday (I would let out a huge guffaw in the face of anyone who said that to me, if in this situation!)
- No other benefits such as healthcare, or pension (we have NHS and I have calculated for money going away into the SIPP and ISA so no big deal here either I think)
Overall though, for somewhere between 24 and 40 weeks off per year, I think this looks like a pretty sweet deal if you could make it work anywhere near as I have assumed above. If there are any contractors out there wish to give their opinions… they would be most welcome!
Let’s not forget that at age 60, I might want to chuck the towel in completely, so I better check what my stash will have grown to. My total pot in the ISA would be £145,939.52 in real terms, and £243,228.64 in the SIPP*. These two together would give me an annual income of £15,566 pre tax which is £13,539.60 (with current tax rules). This should be more than enough for a 60 year old TFS who also happens to have paid off his mortgage by then!
*Assumes 4% real rate of return.
Part Time Work
We’ll use exactly the same assumptions as in the contracting example, but kind of reverse the calculation, as most part time work is much more rigid. Most companies like to see you for around 20 hours per week on a part time contract, which simply means that to get to £28k I would need to be earning 28000 / (52 x 20) = £26.92 per hour. Sounds quite high seeing as my current rate is £25.64 I don’t think it’s impossible, maybe even at my current company. The only hitch might be that employers still view full time employees as more valuable, which in the majority of cases is still perhaps true, but I think if you knew you had 4 days off per week you are also more likely to work harder in the times where you are at work. Persuading them that is the case is a different matter obviously! In my case, I think the only option here would be to persuade my current company to keep me on part time… I can’t imagine there are many web/software developer positions out there part time right now!
Again… if we have any part time readers who are making around this number and making their situation work, let us know what you do, and more importantly how you did it! (I know regular reader and commenter Living Cheap in London is already doing this, which is where I got the idea from, thanks LCIL!).
The upsides are obvious compared to the Freelance model, a regular, guaranteed wage, more job security, paid holiday and other benefits, while the major downside is that you still have to actually go to work every damn week, along with that if I could only swing this at my current place, I would still be wasting my life commuting.
Get a new Job
This might not make much sense to a lot of people but I currently spend around 13 hours per week commuting via train to my job. Simply by getting a more local job and biking or walking to work, I could cut out about 10 hours of commuting and hence get 10 hours of my life back, each and every week. This equates to 470 hours or 19.5 days per year (assuming 5 weeks paid holiday). While I would still be working a full time job, that is a significant amount of time to free up each week, and would allow me to supercharge my savings rate due to lower commuting costs and still earning a guaranteed full time wage. For those reasons this is still one of the front runners for me. The positives and negatives are similar to part-time work, but with the added bonus of hitting financial independence properly in a shorter time frame, while sacrificing more of your time in the near term.
What do you think?
As ER Guy asked for advice, I am going to do exactly the same (it’s one of the biggest and best benefits of having a blog so may as well ask as often as possible)! Getting the opinion of you lot out there really helps me, and I hope others reading, make their minds up on stuff like this. To be honest, I am completely open to all three options right now as they all have various positive and negative aspects.
One thing is for certain though, it is great to be frugally independent enough to have these options, and they all sound a lot better than keeping the status quo, so I am going to get back onto writing my CV as soon as I have posted this!
Discussion (32) ¬
Just a quick one. You quoted the projected ISA/SIPP balances in real terms @ age 60. It seems like you’re forgetting that £15,566 in the future won’t buy what it will today, you’ll need to factor in inflation into your income projections too.
I’ve contracted for a bit in the past. While it’s great getting a ‘higher’ pay rate I found the fact that if i wasn’t in the office I wasn’t getting paid a real psychological issue. I found I was not taking time off to maximise my pay. Also the insecurity of not knowing how long you contract will run for may mean you end up working all year round anyway!
I can match if not beat you on the commuting stakes. I do roughly 10 hours per week (65 miles each way ;-( ). I try and maximise the time to read, work on side hustles and optimize our finances. That time is a great opportunity so try and ensure you’re not wasting it playing angry birds!
Hello UTMT, thanks for the comment 🙂
I have adjusted for inflation so £15,566 is in 2014 £’s, so I think I should be ok (hopefully!) with those calculations.
I was under the impression that is what “real terms” meant?
From google:
“By contrast, a real value is a value that has been adjusted from a nominal value to remove the effects of general price level changes over time and is thus measured in terms of the general price level in some reference year (the base year).”
Yep that is one of the major worries about going to contract work…! There is definitely a trade off with security and also the psychological side of things as well.
Totally with you on that one! I normally try to read blogs, write stuff on here, or read informational books that will improve my knowledge in various areas. However… My journey includes 2 trains or sometimes 3 trains and sometimes I don’t get a seat (meaning no laptop usage), which means even my best laid plans go awry, and this happens quite often.
Chuck in internet dropping in and out due to tunnels and so on, and the occasional group of chatterboxes or screeching children disturbing you, it’s not exactly the same as having a whole uninterrupted hour sitting at home on the laptop, nowhere near it in fact. 🙂
Saying that I am writing this on the train right now, so point taken, cheers!
Wow you guys both have pretty significant commutes. Living in zone 3 (close to zone 2) I dropped the train portion from my commute about 18 months ago & now cycle the whole way (10.5miles) each morning & evening. I don’t think i’d be able to pull that off 5 days a week, but for the 3 i work it is actually quite pleasant. I actually look forward to my commute.
if it is hideously raining then i will sometimes take the train into work, but if it’s raining on the way home i still cycle as i find that still preferably to joining soggy/grumpy commuters on the train.
Totally with you on that one LCIL!
I almost just want to try to get a new job in the local vicinity just so I can fully engage in the Mustachian mode of transport that is cycling! At the moment I have no need, I either get the train or walk everywhere locally.
As I’m sure you know by now; I hate commuting. It’s a total money and time waste and I’d do pretty much anything to avoid it. 10 hours a week additional free time and the added financial savings would be a strong factor in pushing me to find a new job.
I reckon part-time working could be an option, but one to have in your pocket ready to pull out closer to reaching FI.
Contracting can be pretty lucrative but risky. I’m not much of a gambler myself but I know alot of others in the personal finance area are strong supporters of the freedom that contracting can offer.
It’s a tough decision, I know!
Hi Guy… thanks for the advice, appreciate it!
The added bonus with part time is that it would hopefully provide a very decent base salary (if I can swing it) and free up 1.5-2 days of my time to build up other income streams, from internet projects and so on. I could also use it as a spring board into contracting as I could work on a bit of more casual contract work in those spare days, build up my portfolio, and then be far more confident in say a year or two’s time of going “full time” contracting. I forgot to write all that in the main article… oops 🙂
The commuting is tough, although as Under The Money Tree says you can fill it with useful things it can be tough if there are lots of legs of the journey. The other problem I’ve found is it wears you down over time.
So, if you can work closer to home and still earn the same amount (net of commuting costs) then I’d see that as a real option. Unfortunately not one I have.
Contracting looks good rate wise although there is always more to it than the work itself, for example finding new roles, and would you be committing to even more and varied commuting or staying away?
Tough, but it is great to have a range of viable choices!
David
David.
Thanks for your comments, appreciate it!
Agreed the contracting thing… it’s the biggest unknown by far.
And I agree it’s a nice “problem” to have isn’t it?
The thing is most people might never open their eyes to the options that are really available to them.
I said to a friend about the part time option the other night… his reply was the classic “What would you do all day though, sit around watching daytime TV?”
Is that really all people can think of doing apart from bloody working nowadays!? 🙂
I like the way you’re thinking Firestarter. I did what you’re describing for the past year and it was awesome. If single I would do it full time, but with one baby here and hopfully another one in 2016…..I had to go back to a “regular” job for a couple years. It can be done, and you’ll love every moment of it. Just be sure you have a cash cushion at the outset. Best of luck
-Bryan
Cheers for the words of encouragement Bryan!
I do think I need a bigger cash cushion (what a lovely alliteration that is) if I’m honest, but will get my CV out there, see what comes up and go from there I think with “real” calculations.
My best friend is an IT consultant and has done very well from contracting. She has the luxury of cherry-picking her jobs and getting long-term contracts for stability but this was not always the case, which led to times of worry in the early days of her career.
Long hours and sometimes unpaid weekends are put in and there have been years where she’s worked all year round with no breaks at all.
However, other times, she’s earned so much in a particular year that she’s been able to take up to several months off for holiday – 6 months is the most since I’ve known her!
Some pros about contracting? Apart from the insane daily rate that you can get depending on your skills, you can get a lot of experience working for different companies, seeing how their processes work etc and get to meet lots of people, which is especially good for networking and future contracts. Work for a big company and you can end up doing lots of foreign travel on business expenses.
Some cons? Not knowing when the next contract will come through during a dry patch, less job security, not always being able to cherry-pick the best contracts, ending up on a job where you can’t get on with the people but you have to see it through otherwise you’ll be seen as not being reliable. The joy of travelling to another country also wears off after a while when you’re permanently living from your suitcase and spending a lot of time apart from your loved ones.
One thing that she battles with all the time (which you won’t have a problem with) is trying to get the same rate as male contractors doing the same job…equality? What equality?
That is the thing, even if you worked a whole year, you know there *could* be a long break at the end of the contract, if you wanted it. Still it’s clearly no picnic and you have to be flexible around the work rather than the other way round, which is to somewhat extent how salaried work is (i.e, they let you have a holiday when you want it, generally speaking).
Thanks for the pro’s and con’s list… that has helped put things in perspective even better for me. That’s bullshit about the lower female rate isn’t it! Hopefully we are heading in the right direction on that one though.
I have been lucky enough to be able to reduce my hours this year and so now work a 28 hour week and have every Monday and Thurs afternoon “off”. It’s great. The salary drop is fairly significant but I have found that I’ve been able to compensate for it by taking more notice of what we were spending and cut down without it affecting our lifestyle. However we weren’t living frugally before so if you are already doing so this might be more difficult.
I do work harder on the days I’m in the office as my role hasn’t really shrunk, but I haven’t yet felt over pressurised – projects just take a little longer than they would have if I’d still been full time. I have the kind of job where the work is more or less self-directed (although as I’m an IT systems development and support officer I do get caught up in the odd panic-producing support issue which can throw a spanner in the works – I have had to work on my “day off” a couple of times and get the time back later).
I think the biggest factor enabling me to go part-time was that I work in a public sector organisation that has had to make big cuts over the last few years so they have been encouraging people to drop hours to reduce the number of redundancies – it wasn’t something that I had to fight to get. Even so there does tend to be a bit of a stigma attached to part time work and colleagues tend to regard part time workers as not taking their jobs seriously and not being interested in promotion. I’m very well established in my role and hoping to retire in 4 years so this doesn’t bother me but it is something to think about.
All in all I would recommend part-time work if you can persuade your employers to let you try it. Whether they will or not might depend on the culture in your organisation but there’s no harm in asking – you might start a trend. I find that it is just about the best of both worlds for me at the moment as I’m not ready (and can’t afford) to give up work completely yet. I wouldn’t mind going down a bit more though (20 hours would suit me fine :-))
Hi Cerridwen!
Ah so you are part of the elusive down-shifting club as well (I think you’ve said this before in comments actually so you are another contributer to that “idea” for me… thanks!). Plenty more scope for being more frugal in my current budget that’s for sure, all the monthly bills are locked down and efficient but our “fun” spending category (for me this equates to beer, maybe I need to read my own post again) could be slashed in half. It would change ever so slightly our lifestyle but that would not be a bad thing IMO.
I would envisage my work, in an ideal world, becoming less bureacratic due to being in the office less and so my hours in there being far more productive at what I like to call “real work”. So I think it would be a win-win situation for both myself and my employers.
If I can persuade them of this is another thing of course! I think one of their worries might be that I would start a trend, although they should have nothing to fear as I know (well am pretty certain) that most of the other people I work with are living paycheck to paycheck as they’ve been locked into (*locked themselves into*) the high spending London lifestyle.
Thanks again for your comments, they’ve been a real help!
Although I would love to attempt freelance writing, and work less really, I actually did just that, and signed up for a new job, leaving behind something I could “do with my eyes closed”.
The new company pays a lot more, but I am signing myself up for more stress and longer working hours… Will it be worth it? We’ll see, but right now, I am hoping the new gig helps expedite early FI even more…
Hey FIF!! Thanks for dropping by… You are so close to FI now anyway I think you can risk going for something like that. If it turns out to be hell you can get off the treadmill until you find something better again? Sounds like you are the type of person who can a bit of pressure now for an even easier future life though eh 😉
Thanks for the mention Mr FireStarter! Glad my comments have given you some moments of personal reflection :-).
By way of background to my current life: Mrs LCIL & I both worked in senior roles since we were aged around 25/27 until the kids came along – so for around 10 years we both solidly advanced our earnings each & every year. Our savings rate in % terms wasn’t in the FI defining %’s during that time, as we lived in part a DINKY life (we traveled a lot in those years, & ate a lot of great food), but we still saved a significant amount which allowed us to:
– clear student debts
– fully offset our mortgage
– extend home (2 bed loft conversion) in cash.
– overpay our mortgage a fair bit
– start to build up some equities
– & then, both to choose to work part time (Mrs LCIL works a 3 1/2 day week) once the kids came along to “enjoy them while they’re young”.
This has allowed us to not worry overly about our future finances. As i’ve said before, we’re still a good many years away from true FI, but my wife doesn’t have any intention to not work as she loves her job (which is fortunately very well remunerated) so true FI just isn’t an urgent requirement for us.
Our reasonably frugal approach to life means we have plenty of years of FU money built up, & our pensions/life assurance* (*more on that later) mean that our golden years will be more than fine too no matter what happens.
I’m starting to feel this comment is too “me me me” & not enough about your actual post, so i’ll finish up the philosophical reasoning that is in part a significant reason for our downshift “take some time now” decision: *neither of our mums made it to pensionable age :-(.
For yourself – not sure if you’re planning for kids or not, but you’ll perhaps value both your current time & security all the more if you do, so maybe the approach to maximise your earning £s & therefore savings/equity invested £s for the next few years is a good approach. You’re still young after all!
No problem and thank you again for all of your helpful and insightful comments you’ve left here so far! (Wow you can feel the love tonight!) 🙂
Sounds like you’ve had a similar trajectory to Mrs TFS and I, although I think we may have been inadvertently more frugal than you guys earlier on (because we earnt less, an educated guess!) but still ended up doing a lot of travelling anyway. Sounds like you guys are now more frugal than us if I’m honest. I genuinely think when kids finally come along we’ll end up spending less on a month to month basis than we do now, because priorities change, but entertaining young kids is pretty cheap (aka free) from what I can gather. We shall see though!
Hearing details about other peoples situations is always great so don’t worry about coming across like that, and sad to hear your mothers both passed away before their time.
As hinted at above kids are on the horizon at some point, but still not sure if that is 1,2 or more years away just yet. If I go by your rather solid reasoning, then a job nearer to home wins out.
Thanks again!
is the photo Chesil Beach BTW? Went there myself over summer – best pebbles in the world!
Good attempt but nowhere near I’m afraid! 🙂
It was down at Peacehaven in East Sussex. There is no real “beach” to speak of and it was just some pebbles washed up against some sea defences (maybe it gets bigger when the tide is out… wasn’t down there long enough to find out).
I think the photo makes it look a lot bigger than was!? Still very nice down there, we had a walk along the cliffs. Very pleasant Sunday afternoon 🙂
Hi TFS,
I have just changed job – I was commuting (driving!) 13-14 hours per week, 105 miles round trip to work each day. The employer paid my fuel so I only picked up the tax element so it made my expenses lower. REALLY not very FI! but hey- I have only just started to look at FI seriously in the last year.
I will be starting a job that’s paying about the same but only 30 minutes from home – BLISS! so I will get some personal time back.
If I hadn’t this job offer I would have gone contracting. I work in IT so I could get a good day rate – BUT –
1) I would likely have to live away from home during the week.
2) I would be expected to do long hours per day.
3) I could probably negotiate a 4 day week – get all my weekly hours done and clear off on a Friday – worked with plenty of contractors doing just that.
4) There will be the gaps to worry about – but if you have budgeted correctly this shouldn’t be a problem.
5) There are more costs than you think! (not just your pension/holiday but cover for sickness/health & liability insurance!)
I am looking to take the part-time/downshift option later on nearer FI – or if I lose this job maybe contract in IT until I reach the FI goal. I use to work with a guy who spent 6 months working and the other 6 months doing his own thing! (mainly following the world cup rugby and cricket!).
The decision is yours and it is based on your situation – I have no kids and no mortgage (paid off) so expenses are low if things don’t work out I can survive until I get back on my feet – or be semi-FI !
Good Luck with your decision.
Hi Sparkle Bee,
Woah… 105 miles of driving per day would *drive* me insane pretty quickly! If it made sense economically then don’t blame you for doing it though!
Those are all things to consider when thinking about contracting… the potential longer hours while working and not knowing where you are going to be are huge negatives that’s for sure.
Thanks for your well wishes and your comments and good luck with your new job!
TFS
Thanks for the callout. I like your ideas. If your expenses are low, you have options. You have flexibility. What if you worked 3 months and then didn’t work 3 months. Or 6 and 6 or 2 and 2. What if you worked for a year and then took a year off. Lots of flexibility and min-retirements.
Anytime Wade! Yep options and getting some of your time back now rather than later, are what frugal independence is all about at the end of the day! Cheers!
I know this an older post now, but I cut my hours (callcenter) down from 37.5 to 34. That meant 4 days rather than 5. After tax it was about 80 quid less a month. I worked it out and the holiday payback that I bought every year from the company to cover a weeks holiday was about 30 quid a month. So one day off extra week for a whole year in comparison for one weeks holiday cost 50 quid less in the pay check. I simply changed my food habits and made this saving each month 🙂
Brilliant lostcloud!
I don’t know why more people don’t challenge the norm. They get locked into work-spend cycle and can’t seem to get off the merry-go-round I guess!
One further thought… what are you doing with your newly liberated 1 day per week? 🙂