can we afford an electric vehicle? let’s run the numbers!
It’s a LEAF! Geddit!?!
We’ve been thinking about getting a new car recently and upgrading from our creaky old ~£1000 beater of a Peugeot 307, and as we are getting a bit bored of owning said make and model, we decided to cast the net a bit wider to see what was about.
As well as this, I decided to knock up a spreadsheet to estimate TCO, or Total Cost of Ownership per year, to see how various different options would actually impact our bottom line, as opposed to just focusing on the sticker cost of the vehicle purchase. As I am interested in Electric Vehicles (EVs), and even though the cost of the vehicle purchase is much larger than any Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) powered car we are likely to consider, I thought I may as well stick that into the spreadsheet just to compare… The results have been… interesting 🙂
First of all let’s compare the base case which would be keeping the old beater, or The TFS Mobile MkII as she’s fondly known as, to a slightly newer, shinier, better ICE powered vehicle: The Nissan Qashqai. It’s one we both like the look of, and it seems like they’re on sale at a reasonable price for the condition of the vehicle you can buy at the moment. Here is my attempt at forecasting TCO for both cars (Explanation of each row is below):
- Upfront cost for our current car is obviously zero because if we keep it we have no money to shell out (barring any immediate breakdown/servicing but think it should be OK for another 6 months)
- I am assuming we would get around £800 for our old car, which is possibly a little optimistic but let’s go with it for now!
- For both the ICE vehicles this is just Petrol + Tax + any maintenance costs. The £130/month is roughly what we’ve spent on our car for the last two years so I just went with that 1. For EVs this will be the cost of electricity + maintenance (There is currently zero tax on EVs). Also, the “Lease” part comes into play when I look at leasing an EV in a minute.
- Depreciation is per month and is a figure I worked out roughly using this handy website here.
- For our current car I’ve estimated £800 here, could be a little high as mentioned. For all other cars I’ve used the estimate from the website I just linked to above. In the Qashqai’s example, they reckon that if you buy at £3500 it is immediately only worth £3185, and then depreciates further per year from there… damn stupid depreciating cars!
- This is simply row 3 multiplied by 12 to give us a yearly cost of running the car.
- This is row 6 + row 2. When we get to year 2 and 3, the figure from row 6 is multiplied by the number of years owned, to give total cost of ownership.
- Value of the car after each year has passed, as per rough calcs using the depreciation calculator website as mentioned above.
- Is simply 7 minus 8 – in other words we are assuming if you sold the car at this point, how much are you out of pocket in total at that exact point in time. Same goes for years two and three
- This is row 9 divided by the number of years we’ve owned the car for.
A few points worth making at this stage:
- The green highlighted row – “TCO Year 3” – is the one that is really important here because 1) I think it makes sense to view owning any car for at least a 3 year period and 2) that is the actual cost of owning/running it because you would assume you will sell the vehicle at the end of the period. At “only” £675 more, over 3 years, for a car that is initially worth nearly £3000 more on paper, this actually doesn’t seem all that bad. I was always against buying any car worth over around £1500 but looking at these figures I see there is less difference in TCO than I had originally imagined.
- As you can see, as the years go on, the average cost/year of ownership goes up, which makes sense because of depreciation starting to take it’s toll. It really ramps up quickly on our current car simply because the worth of the car as a percentage of the yearly running costs is quite high at first but very quickly dips towards zero.
- I initially calculated the TCO as just Fuel + Maintenance + Depreciation costs, which for example would just give a simple figure of £1800/year for our current car. But I decided that although that sounds correct logically, it wasn’t right because it didn’t take into account that you actually have an asset at the end of each yearly period that you could in theory sell to recoup some of your costs back (and as already stated I assume that we will do that for the purposes of these comparisons). This doesn’t make much of a difference to keeping the dusty ole Pug but it does make a big difference when purchasing a more expensive car as we shall see in good time…
leasing an electric vehicle
Here’s a quick one that I did just out of interest and dismissed immediately because, well, it just seemed too expensive. This was based on the cheapest leased EV I could find which was £200/month. Admittedly you are getting a brand spanking new car for that, but the TCO is way too much at £3307/year. The car in question was a Kia Soul I found on here, if anyone was interested. I guess it’s expensive because: A) you are getting a new car and therefore they bake depreciation costs into the payment and B) There are financing costs and generally financing should be avoided at all costs. I know we all know that already but I thought I’d still compare it just in case I was pleasantly surprised. Here is the updated table with the leasing option anyway:
buying a used electric vehicle
To clarify, I’m talking about a Nissan Leaf (see photo above, final model shape and colour may vary 🙂 ) because that seems to be the best EV out there in terms or range/price from what I can see. I’ve included 3 price points for the Leaf in the table:
- Upper Range – This should buy a 2014/15 30kWh 2 Leaf which gives you around 120 miles of real world range, apparently. Range has a double meaning here because it’s the upper range we’d go for in terms of price, and also the upper range of the actual miles the car can go on one charge, how clever is that!?
- Mid Range – Might just squeeze a 30kWh model with this price but it would probably quite high mileage. More likely to get a decent shape 24kWh model, which only has around 90 miles or real world range.
- Low Range – Would get you a cheap 24kWh version of the Leaf, one of the older models around.
- I’ve also included one final option which is for a Renault Zoe, with a leased battery, which you can pick up for around £12K. They have around a 200 mile range which is great, but then you have to pay a monthly fee for the battery which is not so great. Also I don’t like the Renault Zoe. To clarify, if I was still single and aged 22 it looks like an awesome little hot-hatch, but doesn’t look so great as a family car with the tiny back seats and weird/no back doors.
Anyway before moving on let’s have a look at the cost table
Wow!
Did any of those figures suprise you? We could get a lower range Nissan Leaf, made in 2013, which is a good 5 years newer than the Nissan Qashqai’s we’re looking at (2008/09 for that price range), for around the same TCO per year.
Honestly I don’t think I’d consider the 24kWh version because under 100 miles of range is just not enough for a 1 car family. It may be good as a second car town run around, but we are always driving to random places like the Isle of Wight which is about 80 miles away from where we live… way too close for comfort for my liking!
But even looking at the Mid or even Upper range it’s not that much more expensive compared to the Qashqai option. It definitely puts a Leaf on the table as a serious option for us, and even a frugal(ish) one at that.
Much more frugal than a £12K or £15K sticker price would initially have you think.
After 3 years the Qashqai would cost us an estimated £5275 and the top end Leaf would be £7290. £2015 over 3 years for a much newer car, all the mod cons that go with that, and feeling smug about not creating any green house gases while driving… is it worth it… I think it’s borderline for me still but it’s a lot closer than I would have ever imagined! Watch this space!
I haven’t really got much else to say on the above as hopefully the figures speak for themselves, but my final question to any EV owners out there is…
Are my figures anywhere near realistic?!
I fear I have favoured the EV options because of my internal bias towards… well basically wanting to get one 🙂
I’ve figured £20/month for electricity (we drive about 6000 miles/year) and £20/month for maintenance.
Depreciation figures are from the same website that I used for both the ICE car options.
I hear that the only real thing that is needed is tyres… not sure how true that is but certainly no oil changes, gear box issues, and so on. And with a much newer car in general I would like to think that most of the suspension parts, electrical components, and all the other smaller things like that will not need replacing or servicing for many years yet. But let me know if I’m smoking something green that I shouldn’t be, please! 🙂
Cheers!
Discussion (34) ¬
Interesting. I knew that EVs tend to depreciate like a rock chucked off a cliff from new, but your figures for an older EV look pretty good.
Out of interest, what’s the expected battery life on a Leaf and how much does it cost to replace come the time?
Hi Jo,
It’s a good point actually. I did a quick google and this seems pretty legit:
https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/nissan-leaf-battery-capacity-range
Suggests that a new Battery is around 5K and after 3 years of average driving you will lose around 15% of the capacity, which translates to 20 miles of range. So I guess the ones we’d be looking at do fall into that category so this is definitely something to consider.
Thanks for putting that on my radar!
Did you check Chevy Volt?
Yea had a quick look at that one but didn’t like the look of it, also it’s a PHEV (Plugin Hybrid EV) so the battery is much smaller than a proper EV. These obviously have their benefits of having much larger range because of the petrol range extending capabilities, but I think if we go EV it’s all or nothing personally.
The Vauxhall Ampera is basically the same car, in case you didn’t know:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/vauxhall/ampera-2012-2015
Cheers!
Also, the Tesla Powerwall is finally in UK. I seen it in Milton Keynes Tesla Shop and the solar tiles will be here early 2019. I put them to check the cost and it is like 15k for a 3 beds house 80% autonomy. I wonder what is the price and performance for your solar panels?
15K!!! Think that will be one for the rich people to go for before the likes of us FIRE folk would touch with a barge pole. I’ve done a few posts on our solar panels before so just use the search functions to find them if you are interested 😉
What does 80% Autonomy mean btw?
My parents have got a Leaf. Previously had a Zoe. They love it and wouldn’t swap for anything. For long journeys they hire a car, much cheaper than owning 2 cars
I guess that is something I’d have to add into the figures… having to hire an ICE car for longer journeys. I know it wouldn’t happen “that” often, but it would definitely happen. No way I’d want to drive 300 miles with only 100 miles of range per car, would be a nightmare.
Glad to hear your parents are loving their Leaf though 🙂
Leaf 30kwh is a great car – bought one 6 months old about 18 months ago and prices seem to have gone up! EVs aren’t depreciating like they did when new, as interest in them is increasing. You seem to have missed tax in your TCO. EV road tax is zero in UK right now, for an ICE it could be £200pa…
I would say the biggest factor in your TCO is depreciation, and it’s also the hardest to predict. This makes spreadsheets vulnerable to bias. For instance I don’t think your current car with an MOT would ever be worth less than £500, even in 5 years time. Old cars have almost zero depreciation but potentially (but not always) much higher maintenance
We did what you look like you’re about to do – sold an ancient car worth c£600 and spent 14k on a Leaf (more than I’ve spent on all our cars in our lifetime added together!). Upshot – I subscribe big time to bangernomics but we LOVE the leaf and reckon we’ve saved a fortune for the 18k miles we’ve done over 18 months. I assume you can park off street at home and charge there? Otherwise the situation is a bit different… give me a shout if you have any questions!
Hi Perry,
Great to hear from a Leaf owner! I knew there’d be one out there amongst the readers 🙂
Sorry I didn’t explain it very well but the monthly figure for fuel/maintenance etc did actually include Tax.
That is true about the old car probably not being worth below £500, but as you say it will probably require more and more maintenance the longer we own it, so I think it is fair to just read the TCO as it is in the table as a fairly accurate figure.
Hah… yep if we bought one it would definitely be more than we/I’ve spent on cars combined up to this point!
In all honestly I don’t think I can actually pull the trigger on shelling out so much, and the range and battery life thing still is a little worrying. I think what we’ll do is go for a Qashqai or similar and drive that for 2-3 years, then re-asses the second hand/nearly new EV market at that point. At which time I am hoping that you can pick up something that will do 200 miles for around 10K in which case it almost becomes a no brainer!!!
We shall see how it all pans out though. Either way, I am very excited about all of this 🙂
OK so questions:
1. What sort of range are you getting now and how does that compare to when you first bought the car.
2. What mileage had it done when you bought the car?
3. How much charging do you do out and about?
4. How quickly does it charge on the fast/rapid chargers that you get when out and about?
5. Does it cost that much money to use said chargers when out and about?
6. How long are you expecting to keep the Leaf, a long time or will you upgrade to an EV with a longer range once they are affordable?
Obviously if you don’t use the on the road chargers, then you can ignore those last few questions.
On your point about home charging – we actually do NOT have off street parking but we live down such a quiet Cul-de-Sac I would be pretty comfortable running a cable from the house with a cable tidy/mat type thing to stop anyone tripping over it. I’d probably also consult the closest neighbours as well just to make sure they are cool with it before buying one.
Cheers!
Hi TFS!!
1. What sort of range are you getting now and how does that compare to when you first bought the car. Range hasn’t dropped from mileage but summer winter varies quite a bit. Max 120 miles in summer, but could be as low as 75-80 in winter, depending how you drive it
2. What mileage had it done when you bought the car? 2,500 miles
3. How much charging do you do out and about? None, except occasional 50kw rapid charges if on a longer journey
4. How quickly does it charge on the fast/rapid chargers that you get when out and about? 3kw will give c15 miles charge in an hour. If you car can charge at 7kw then this is doubled. 50kw DC rapid chargers at motorway services give about 80 miles per 40 minutes
5. Does it cost that much money to use said chargers when out and about? Don’t know about the fast chargers but rapid chargers cost about £6 for 80-100 miles of range at the moment
6. How long are you expecting to keep the Leaf, a long time or will you upgrade to an EV with a longer range once they are affordable? Probably for a very long time. There’s nothing to go wrong with it mechanically, and by the time I might need a few battery cells replacing there might be upgraded batteries, chargers and investors out there which might make the car better than new at some point! I have an ICE on the drive too which needs replacing but need a bigger car so no real ev option there yet. Am thinking a used ford s-max for 7-10 years or so until something that versatile with decent range might start getting into my price bracket.
Hi Perry,
Many thanks for the replies, that’s awesome!
That’s a really great point about when the time does come to buy a new battery though I’d not considered. That you can basically upgrade your car without actually getting a new car. Also all the new software upgrades etc that will no doubt come out because it is basically a computer on wheels!
Even in 5 years time, I am guessing battery technology will have moved on massively and you might be able to just fit in say a 200+ mile range battery for a couple of grand or less which would give it another 7-8 years of life at the least.
Interesting though that you still have an ICE vehicle on the drive way. I presume you use that for the longer journeys? Or do you still mainly go with the Leaf and the rapid charging route? If the latter, is it surely not quite annoying stopping every 1.5ish hours to charge?
Cheers!
Yeah the ICE is because we need 2 cars, but whoever is doing the most mileage in a given day takes the LEAF to save some money! Don’t really do enough mileage in the ICE to justify an expensive second EV, and I have access to other vehicles for longer journeys if I don’t fancy stopping to charge (can also drive faster in ICE without worrying about range). Leaf is a pretty slow way to travel any more than 170 miles in a day which isn’t always convenient. Some 200 mile EVs coming to market in next few years will make a huge difference
Also a bigger car would be better for holidays, and in my retirement I’m doing some gardening which is easier if I can get more tools in and out of the back…
Thanks for replying again.
Yep… you have hit the nail on the head there I think. Currently Leaf range is great for a second car to just smash costs when doing shorter trips. I think we are best waiting a few years and see if we can pick something up with a ~200 mile range for around 10-15K. Fingers crossed!
Cheers!
Better maybe investing in green energy production than green energy consumption.
The numbers don’t look good enough yet to make electric vehicles a sensible choice – but in some circumstances they do.
Hi GFF,
Of course! We have solar panels which are holding that end of the bargain up, but I have been looking at green energy companies as an investment opportunity but not really had the time to research anything enough to be confident to pull the trigger yet unfortunately. I also like FI Fighters approach of investing in the mining companies who will be providing the raw materials to green tech companies, but it seems far harder to invest in there comparatively small and quite obscure companies, often on the Aussie or Canadian stock exchanges, from this country. I will continue to look into this though as the sector is mid crash right now, so it might be a great time to actually buy.
“The numbers don’t look good enough yet to make electric vehicles a sensible choice” – Disagree on this one. Well…. Agreed when compared to a 3.5K or less ICE vehicle the numbers don’t look great but, despite that being the comparison I’ve made here (because that was the options on the table for us) I feel that is not really actually a fair comparison.
If you compared a 15K Leaf which will get you a 30kWh model in really good nick, to say a even a 10K ICE vehicle, the Leaf would absolutely destroy the ICE vehicle on TCO.
So really, EVs are a sensible choice already for most people – seeing as most people tend to buy nearly new cars, even though they can’t really actually afford them.
Cheers!
We own an ev (not a leaf) and it does a huge amount of miles, c20kpa. Given you have solar I think your figure for fuel is high for your mileage if you can make good use of your solar for charging. I have heard of leaf owners charging at Nissan garages too – which is free. I see you include lease in there so maybe you’ve covered that, but just our experience. Yes the up front cost is high but there are some joys of ownership that you don’t get with an ice car, including joining the enthusiastic community of ev drivers. Having said that , my feeling is that costs will continue to fall in the next couple of years as more models come out. so maybe that’s a factor too.
Hi Hezzer,
Thanks for chipping in with your thoughts and experiences with your EV.
What do you own, if you don’t mind me asking?
I’ll give you a bit of a spoiler, we went for the Qashqai in the end (booooo!) but the plan is certainly to drive that for 2-3 years and then hopefully get one of the higher range EVs that are just coming out now at a reduced price. I think with 150 (minimum) miles of range on the new Leaf for example, will almost eradicate any range anxiety we might feel owning an EV. That’s well over 2 hours of driving in most conditions which would definitely require a break/wee stop, especially with younguns in the back!
Sad to say we can’t join the ranks of the enthusiastic EV owners this time round but hopefully we’ll be with you in a few years time 🙂
It’s a Tesla model S.
We are very lucky to have it.
Oh well now I’m just jealous… good for you though 🙂
Great article. It’s obvious that you have really done your homework. Thank you.
Cheers Paul, glad you liked it
Hi TFS,
In true bangernomics style, have you factored in purchase and installation of a charging point at home and the cost (investment loss or borrowing cost) of the initial purchase price? It all adds up. I too love the idea of E.V’s but the practicality and cost, although getting better, still push me towards end of life vehicles every time I try to justify one! … One day though, and soon I should warrent!
JimJim
Hi Jimjim,
Admittedly have not factored in purchase and installation of a charging point at home. So that will skew things slightly more in favour of the ICE cars right now.
I did think about adding in the investment loss, and it’s a fair point, but decided not to just to keep the post as simple as possible.
I agree with your final conclusion there (unfortunately!) but also I think that in 3/4 years (maybe even 2) the EV options will be viable and competing with ICE vehicles that are in the 5K range, not bangers per se but for anyone that wants a half decent motor, which is most people it seems, they will start to be ideal for them.
Although thinking about it… we may even start to see massive depreciation of ICE vehicles as people start to realise they are a much bigger liability than EVs therefore making it more of an even match yet again… will be interesting to see if that happens and how big the effect is if so!
Cheers!
Are newer cars not very much safer? Is this not a concern with little people in the car or unfounded?
Yea definitely something to consider I suppose, but surely anything made since say 2000 is going to be “safe enough”? And we’re looking at 2008 Qashqai as a minimum standard here.
TCO is one way of calculating the cost of car ownership. But I prefer the AA’s method of cost per mile. After all that is the only practicable use for a car, to drive miles.
Hi Simon,
Of course you are right. EV’s get better the more miles you drive them as the cost of “fuel” is so much lower.
Cheers!
Great Post and outstanding Comparison you have done. Thanks a lot for sharing.
Did you ever end up buying a leaf or EV?
Hi Ed,
We bought a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV in Feb!
Freaking love it!
It drives like an electric even when on petrol, so it’s just “stop” and “go” very easy to drive and no gears. Loads of the usual mod-cons. We’ve driven 1300 miles on about £100 worth of petrol so far and as we have solar panels I would hope we get most of the charging for pretty much free.
So even though it cost way more than our old car, I think on going cost is much lower and it’s just 10x nicer to drive around in. Lovely and quiet and smooth compared to our old chugging and loud diesel engine.
Cheers