matched betting – how to make money betting each way horse racing
I’ve been doing the Each Way Horse Racing Betting, otherwise known as Each Way Arbing or Each Way Sniping (I’ll be calling it just “Sniping” from here on in for ease and it’s the one I like best) for about 4 months now and as I approach and break through the £10,000 in profit barrier I think it’s high time I wrote a little bit more about it. I don’t say this lightly but it is without doubt the best side hustle I’ve ever had the fortune to stumble upon (so far at least).
I’ve had a few questions in the comments after my monthly updates, so in future I can just point anyone to this resource rather than write up half assed replies with limited info!
Before we carry on I would like to emphasise my usual disclaimer:
Each Way Sniping is basically gambling, not matched betting. You could in theory lose every penny you “invest” into it. It’s highly unlikely of course but still worth knowing and really thinking about this fact before deciding this is for you or not. Further, there are big winning and losing swings from day to day and even week to week. If you can’t stick something out for at least 2 weeks with a potential big losing streak, this is not the side hustle for you.
I feel it’s worth underlining this point further with some real life numbers:
Between 21st and 22nd May I lost £1,013.98
Yep you read that right, that’s over a grand in two days! I am now at around £20 each way bets (total stake for each bet is £40) and I did do a few rather questionable multiple bets during these two days. Obviously it is not recommended to start with anything near these stakes, but even if you started off with one tenth of the stakes I am doing, i.e. £2 each way, you would have still lost £101.39 during this 2 day period, if you did the same bets as I did.
For an example of a slightly longer term losing streak between the 16th and 22nd May I was down £632. I hope these figures illustrate that you should start with a very small stake, and only increase once you are comfortable with both the process, losing streaks, and obviously once your bank has increased nicely.
Now with all that negative nancy stuff out the way, why do I like Each Way Sniping so much?
- It’s simple – All you have to do is put a bet on. No laying off, no checking off offer T&Cs like with “normal” matched betting
- It’s quick – Therefore you can dip in and out of it very quickly. If I have a quiet 5 minutes at work I can just fire off a few bets, likewise if I’m on the train or just watching TV in the evening.
- It’s lucrative – *Not so humble brag alert* Errrmmm did I mention I’ve made over £10K profit in 4 months? 😀
- It works on gubbed bookmaker accounts – All those accounts you’ve written off are now back in action making you money again (and probably more than you were making on the “offers” anyway!)
Before we go any further though, here is a quick primer on how to make money in general with gambling, which provides the basis on what sniping is and why it works.
How can I actually make money gambling!?
It’s the holy grail and people generally do not believe it’s possible. Even my friends don’t really believe me and yet I’ve been in the game turning (admittedly small) profits year in and out since around 2005. Yet it is unbelievably simple to do. There are two ways of doing this. Please note that neither of them rely on deep understanding of any particular sport or hours of stats analysis and number crunching 1
- Find Arbs and back them without laying it off – An Arb (or Arbitrage) opportunity is where the price of 2 sides of a bet are different enough so you can back both of them and guarantee a profit whatever the outcome. Matched bettors should be familiar with this when they back a horse or football team and then lay at the exchange to guarantee a profit. However if you are laying on Betfair, where the majority of the liquidity is, the commission is 5%. So every time you lay off you are locking in an extra 5% loss on the Expected Value (EV) of your bet. Why not just back the value bet and keep that extra 5%? Obviously people (i.e. matched bettors who are trying their arm at Arbing) don’t like the volatility that comes with that, and prefer a steady stream of profits (which is fair enough). But if you are planning on being in this game for any amount of time, over hundreds of bets the volatility will even itself out and you should see that extra 5% ROI. Get big enough turnover and 5% extra can be massive. I’m easily turning over £10,000/month now with fairly modest stakes, so that’s an extra £500 a month worth of profit I can expect to be making compared to those who are laying off every bet.
- Back prices that are way out of line with every other bookmaker – This is the same concept as Arbing, you are simply looking for bookmakers offering exceptional value prices. For example if 20 bookies are offering 5/1 and one is 10/1, without even looking at a Betfair market (Betfair does not cover every single market so often you cannot compare) then I know with fairly good certainty that the 10/1 bet is a good value bet. I’ve backed 1000’s of these kinds of bets over the years so even though I’ve had many many losers the winners should outgun the losers fairly easily. The best example of this is when I backed AaB Aalborg to win the Danish Superliga at 1000/1 when all other bookmakers were a top price of 33/1. Promptly forgot about the bet for 9 months then logged into my bookmaker account to find £5000 sitting there. Apparently they’d won the league! I am still shocked to this day they didn’t just void the bet (see below) as the price was well out of line, but obviously I am very glad they let it stand!
So why isn’t everyone just doing that then? There are two main reasons:
- You will get shut down relatively quickly. Bookies will easily spot people that only place these sorts of bets and shut down your accounts ASAP. It varies from bookie to bookie how quickly but accounts won’t last that long if all you do is back Arbs and way out of line prices.
- Sometimes bookies will just void the bets anyway (and then close your account to rub salt in the wound!) so even if you think you are on a great value bet, even after it has won, you can’t bank on them actually paying out. Yes, legally they are allowed to shirk out on paying out on any bet as it’s not a legal contract as such. You could appeal through IBAS but it’s probably not worth the time or effort unless the bet was definitely a winner and worth a lot of money.
Why is Each Way Sniping any better?
Each Way Sniping means you are still backing value bets but the value is spread over the win and place part of the bet. This nullifies the two major drawbacks from above:
- You won’t get shut down as quickly as you will probably look like a “normal” racing punter for quite a while at least, especially if you are using smaller stakes. The prices will never really be that out of line, instead of being ridiculous 50-100% Arbs you are just eeking out 5-10% arbs and going for higher volume. This allows your account to fly under the radar for (hopefully) a longer time. Also if the Arb is split over the win and place part, this somehow seems to help you fly under the radar as well. I don’t know why bookmakers software can’t just work this out, but for now at least, it seemingly can’t detect each way Arbs as easily as win only Arbs.
- Because the prices aren’t way out of line as mentioned above, you will almost never get a bet voided. Much less hassle than backing stupid prices (which are sometimes just genuine mistakes on the bookie part) and just hoping the bookie doesn’t spot it and void, so you can just back a load of them and wait for the profits to roll in.
One final question that many may have at this stage is:
But why does the Betfair (or any other Exchange) price really matter?
Because bookies will ban shrewd punters, for example people with “inside knowledge” such as horse race owners, trainers, or their friends, or just people who do a lot of stats analysis and so on.
This means that the only way for these shrew operators to get a bet on is via Exchanges, because Exchanges aren’t the ones actually laying bets, so no one ever gets banned. So we can assume that if a horse price is shorter on the exchange compared to a bookmaker, there is at least some evidence that that might be the “Smarter money” and we’d do well to back the bigger price with the bookmaker. There are a few other reasons such as the wisdom of crowds and exchanges being more like an “efficient market” place as well, but I truly believe that the whole “smart money” thing is the main driver of us getting value bets out of this method.
That’s the ground work theory of what this actually is and why it works, now how do you actually do it!? While it is pretty much as simple as checking the OddsMonkey (or other provider’s) each way matching tool and placing bets… there is slightly more to it than that. So let’s get started…
Each way sniping: Getting started
Of course, first of all you will need an account with Odds Monkey (<– affiliate link) so you can use their Each Way Matcher tool 2. Here is a quick screenshot of what it looks like:
Hopefully the first few columns should be self explanatory, and the only other one worth paying attention to for each way sniping is “Rating” which shows you the expected value of the Arb, which is a combination of the expected value of the place and win parts of the each way bet.
Just to be clear you can safely ignore the “Arb Rating” column which is the expected value of the win part of the bet only. OddsMonkey suggest that you only go for bets with an “Arb Rating” of below 100% because they think this will help with the longevity of your accounts before they are gubbed. Personally I can’t be bothered with that as there are so many accounts out there to get through, so I’ve never paid attention to it. You can obviously do what you feel is best on that one though.
The Max profit can also be confidently ignored because that is for wimps people who are laying off to guarantee a profit on each bet, which we are not doing.
Here are a few basic tips to get you started:
Selection Criteria (i) – Ratings and Exchanges
I use the following selection criteria for going ahead and actually placing a bet:
- If both Win and Place exchange are Betfair and Rating is over 95%
- If both Win and Place exchange are Smarkets and Rating is over 98%
- If Win and Place exchange is a combination of Betfair plus any other and Rating is over 97%
Why these combinations? It’s because the rating is worked out including commission, and Betfair commission is 5%. Seeing as we are not laying off the bets, then a >95% rating actually becomes a >100% rating for us, which means we have positive EV (Expected Value).
You might think what is the point in backing something with, say 0.05% EV (in other words a horse that has Betfair in both columns and a rating of 95.05%) but in my experience so far, it is actually worth backing everything above these settings, especially for horses that have higher odds (see point #2 below). If you feel like only doing ones over, say 100%, that’s fine and I’m certain you will still make money (and perhaps have a higher ROI percentage) but you might end up making less overall because you will have less bets than I do, i.e. less turnover. There are normally quite a lot of selections over 100% throughout the day anyway so if you’d rather “play it safe” and only go for the higher EV ones, that’s cool 🙂
Selection Criteria (ii) – Odds and Bookies
Hit the “Filter” button and you will get the following slide out section, which is great to filter out the bookies you don’t have accounts for. Personally I find it overwhelming and frankly unnecessary to include more than about 7-8 bookies at a time, you will get an ample amount of bets using this (maybe even just go with 1-2 when you are first starting up to avoid confusion… up to you of course!).
Here is what my settings are set to:
As you can see the only thing I’ve really changed (apart from selecting certain bookies which you can’t actually see from the above screenshot) is setting the minimum odds to 4.0
The reason for this is that on the main each way sniping thread on the Odds Monkey Forum the thread starter states that over 3770 bets the EV looks to go up the higher the odds, so personally I don’t see the point in backing anything below 4.0 (or 3/1 in fractional odds).
This is borne out by my own experience so far as well, take a look at my breakdown of returns broken down into, admittedly rather arbitrary, odds groupings:
Now obviously the takeaway here is not that we should avoid any bets in the 10-15 range as they’ve returned a -3% profit. But you can see that the overall trend is that the higher odds tend to be returning better ROI*
*I’m ignoring the 3-4.99 category’s 70% ROI as the stakes are way too low to draw any conclusions, basically because so far I’ve very rarely backed anything with that low odds. However I have started to try them out again now, as an experiment to see how they fair. So hopefully in a month or two I can provide you with an update on these figures! Also will be interesting to see if 10-15 makes a come back!!
And again it’s not worth just filtering out the odds above, say, 20/1 because they are providing much higher ROI in my sample, because A) it’s just a small sample still and B) why wouldn’t you want the 15% ROI on the 15-20 group or even the 8% ROI on the 7-10 group. It’s all profit…!!! I am certain that 10-15 will also prove positive in the very long run as well and the others will start to merge closer in terms of ROI, but that the higher bands will remain slightly higher.
Here is the graph from the Odds Monkey Forum post by the way:
Placing Bets
Once you’ve found a few bets you want to place it’s as simple as clicking on the link, navigating to the racing section, finding the race and horse and then entering your stake (see below), remembering to tick the each way box 3 and hitting “Bet” or “Confirm” or whatever. Simple as that really but the difficulty here tends to be that bookie website layouts can sometimes be very confusing so it’s hard to actually find the correct race in the first place. I guess my only advice here is that the more you do it, the more you become used to each layout so even though it may take a while at first, you will soon be zooming through a number of bets in a few minutes once you get the hang of it!
On the move – The great thing about this is that you can easily do this on your mobile while you are out and about (or in the toilet at work 🙂 ). Many bookie websites are actually easier to navigate on your phone anyway (others… are a complete disaster!) but you should be able to get a few bets on if you check every hour. Just make sure you remember to track all of your bets when you get home at the end of the day (see below)! I know traditional matched betting can theoretically be done on your mobile but with all the backing and laying I find it just way too much bother on my phone, so EW sniping trumps MB in this respect as well in my opinion.
Staking Strategy
You need a solid staking strategy and you need to bloody well stick it young man/woman!
I’d recommend starting with a bank, say £100, and doing 1% per bet, so with our example £100 bank that would only be 50p each way (£1 total stake). Once you have say doubled your bank, you can consider doubling your stake although I would say that might be a bit aggressive, and it might be better to just go up 50% on stakes every doubling of the bank, in which case you are then baking in even more margin for a long losing run not to wipe you out completely.
Some people use lower stakes for higher odds but from the stats above on the odds bands, tells us to just do level stakes across all bets. Still, it’s hard to stick £20 each way 4 on a 100/1 shot, so I tend to use slightly lower stakes once the odds are really high i.e. over 50/1. You can fiddle around with this as you wish but just make sure you stick to whatever you decide because you can’t be doing £1 each way on one 20/1 bet and then £5 each way on another 20/1 just because you feel like one is better than the other.
Tracking it all down
I’m pretty slack at tracking my matched betting activities in general and do not track every back and lay like some people do. I just tot up my account balances at the end of each month and if it’s gone up since last month, that is my profit.
However… I really think it’s worth tracking every single bet you make either in a custom built spreadsheet – google sheets is obviously my SS of choice as you can access it almost anywhere – or even using the OddsMonkey built in tracking software. All you need to do it click the “Open Calculator” button then “Log Bet” and it will log it for you. You will still need to go back and tell it whether it won and what your profit was once the race has won though, which is why I personally would rather just use a spreadsheet as entering that info is quicker (once you get the knack of it).
Here is an example few lines of my spreadsheet to show you what info I’m tracking. Of course you could add more if you like, such as what race track the horse was running on, what the Rating % was on OddsMonkey Each Way Matcher… and so on… but I’ve kept it as simple as I could for what I personally wanted to track.
The only formulas are simple ones to calculate profit automatically once given the returns, and the totals at the top (SUM’s) and then the ROI in the yellow box at the top. I also have some formulas to calculate the profit per odds banding as shown in the table above. It’s all pretty basic but if people would like a copy to see how it works let me know and I’ll stick a link to a blank version you can copy and use for yourself in the next post in this two part mini series…
Part ii coming to a blog near you…
Which brings me on to the end of part i as we are now well over the 3000 word mark!
Apologies if any of the above was a bit basic if you’ve already tried your hand at each way matching, but part ii will be digging a bit further into more strategic stuff and more of my stats.
I just wanted to write something to cover the “hand holding” stage of it, and also some of the theory which I personally find really interesting.
Cheers and see you shortly for part ii
As usual any questions (and if you would like to know something specifically in part ii) let me know in the comments below!
Notes:
- Although it must be said that there are armies of people out there doing exactly that and turning a profit as well, it’s just way more time consuming so why bother? Those people are true professionals staking thousands of pounds, which makes it worth the extra time investment for them. For us mere mortals stick to the quick and easy methods. ↩
- There are other tools out there of course but I can only really vouch for the Odds Monkey one as it’s the only one I’ve used for this. Also Odds Monkey throw all their tools in for one monthly price, whereas the other Matched betting providers tend to charge you extra for each extra tool you want to use, which is obviously not as good a deal. Anyway, I’m sure you can still make lot’s of money using other tools but will only be talking about the OM one here ↩
- Seriously I’ve forgotten to do this quite a number of times… haha! ↩
- As that is the stake I am up to now ↩
Discussion (71) ¬
On average how many bets would you find/place each day or week?
In June I “played” 20 days and put on 598 bets which works out as about 30 bets per day.
This is probably inflated due to the World Cup as I decided to track my WC bets on my spreadsheet as well.
I also do golf bets as well, which also work in theory with the each way matcher, but I wouldn’t recommend it because the odds are normally quite high so hitting winners is few and far between, I just do them because I already love betting on golf so why not get some value bets while I am doing it!
If you just stuck to horse racing it’s probably around 20 per day on average.
I’ll include some more stats like this in part 2, thanks for the idea.
Cheers!
Nice Guide.
We love the EW stuff in our house. Last month doing about 2 days of it got me £50 over about 10 bets. We generally have odds over 6 (because then it breaks even if you place) so it’s interesting to see you use 4.
We only generally do it between 8am and 10am which limits us to about 10-15 bets a day which is were we are quite happy if all the bets lose for the day.
Looking forward to part 2.
I set it to 4 just to see what’s about, but yea only doing over 6 actually makes more sense. Sometimes I’ll stick the lower odds ones in a double or a trixie or something like that, or double them up with a slightly higher odds bet as well.
The best time for a balance of decent bets and account longevity is probably from about 9:30am to 11:30am, so you are hitting some of the sweet spot there which is good. I am normally pretty happy with anything over 10 bets in a day. Anything less and I feel like I am not giving myself enough chances to hit a decent winner. Obviously that’s just my nonsensical reasoning, but you have to be comfortable doing what you are doing and I don’t really like just putting 2/3 bets on (unless I do it and then they win of course haha), although that’s not to say I don’t end up doing exactly just that sometimes because I know the reality is the more I bet the more I will win long term, and it shouldn’t matter what day or how many in a day I’ve bet.
Have you received many gubbings since starting up the EW stuff just out of interest?
Will write about timings and gubbings in part 2 as well.
Cheers!
I only had one bookie gub me but LMF has had quite a few (4 or 5 I think.) She keeps on reminding me every so often about how sexist bookies are.
I think you are right with the 9:30 as thats when most horses appear with some repeats of horses that were on the EW matcher earlier.
You know what I think LMF could be onto something there from what I’ve heard with other people doing this…!
We’ll never know for sure, I guess (unless anyone reading out there works for a bookies, haha!?) but I think they are more likely to flag up women who randomly open accounts and start punting horses as they are less likely to be mug punters i.e. either matched bettors or relation/friend of a shrewd punter (a bloke of course! Jokes before anyone bites my head off!) who has let them put bets on for them.
I am almost certain of that.
Nice post! I would be interested to know how much volatility you’ve experienced? For example, for every 50 bets you place, what is your standard deviation around your profit? (or something similar). Should be reasonably straight forward to extract from your spread sheet, but would be very interesting to see!
I guess with higher odds comes higher EV (based on the data you showed from OM) but presumably this comes bundled with a nice chunk of additional volatility as well!
Hi Tall Craig from York… I remember ya! 🙂
Hope all is well?
I’m not great on SD in spreadsheets (i.e. I’ve literally never done anything with it at all) but I will endeavour to work out the answer and post it in part 2. Great idea!
Yep… higher odds higher volatility as you say. Because you can get say 38 losers and then boom 50/1 winner and you are 12 points up and that is your profit margin for the month. Another reason why it’s best to just back all odds bands so it smooths out the volatility.
Cheers!
good article, thank you. Might be a stupid question but i’m assuming only backing one horse per race?
Not a stupid question at all. I’ll include the answer in the next part in fact as it’s a good point.
The OddsMonkey forum thread suggests only backing as many horses as there are places in the race, so if 3, then back 3 horses max (if only 1 horse in the race is actually a bet, obvs you only back one though).
Personally I have tried to follow that rule but when you get a Saturday and there are loads of extra place offers on, and loads of 20/1 shots keep cropping up, it’s really hard not to end up backing 5 or 6 in a race! I don’t think it’s a great idea but to not bet a horse just because you’ve already backed a few in the race already takes quite a steel mind. I mean… what if that was the one that won!?
Maybe just backing one horse per race would be a good strat?! Who knows?! 🙂
Looking forward to the next installment. Do you still bet on fields where one withdrawal will reduce the number of places?
Hi Alan,
Yep. Those are often the ones with the best value e/w bets in them so I think that the possibility of withdrawals is kind of factored into the price somewhat. It only messes it up if you are laying off for guaranteed profit because then the place terms change on the bookie but not on your exchange lay. But as we are not laying, just go ahead and back everything without worry.
For sure, it is annoying when you do get a withdrawal and then your horse finishes 3rd, but it rarely happens and all the other winners you get in the meantime more than makes up for that.
Cheers!
Great read, would be interested in the time input in particular could you put a value on it? E.G. once you’ve done the main matched betting signups £15 per hour seems about right. How would this compare?
Hi Sam,
Great question!
Obviously it depends on the stakes you are doing. Now I’m doing higher stakes I do seem to be making more money (which makes sense, but could also lose it a lot quicker on a bad run). But lets average it out and say that I can still continue to make around £2K a month (which is not only lower than the actual average of £2.5K but much lower than Junes figure of £5K).
I “played” 20 days in June, some of those were full blown get as many bets on as possible days (say 2 hours in total of betting) and some were like 3 bets on my phone in 10 spare minutes. Let’s average that out to around 1 hour of actually putting bets on per day which I think is fair. Add on about half hour to tot the figures up at the end of the day as well, so that would be 30 hours of work (Let’s ignore the fact that totting up days profits is often quite good fun 🙂 ) for the whole month.
so £2000 / 30 = £66 / hour
Not bad!
Obviously if you start off with much smaller stakes, which I definitely recommend of course, and had the same sort of stats as I do, then you would be looking at much less, with £2 each way stakes (£4 total) then you will be looking at 1/10th of that so only just over £6 / hour.
However I wouldn’t let that put you off, because the whole point of this in my humble opinion of course is that once you get used to it and comfortable with the staking and your bank has increased you up the stakes so a starting “wage” of £6/hour can increase exponentially as the months tick on…
Something to think about (and I’ll include this in the next part)! Great question! Cheers!
Thanks that’s great.
Would be awesome if you could walk us through an actual live example as I’m still not 100% I understand (first option is backing to different horses and each way in the same race when the oddschecker shows a positive ROI? And the second looking for high EV opportunities over the long-term with bookies who are offering better odds? – Is there a way of checking this option)?
Sam
Hi Sam,
Sorry if I caused any confusion. Those 2 examples were simply to highlight the theory behind how the each way matcher tool works. All the tool does is highlight bets that conform to point #1.
Ignore both option 1 and 2 and just use the each way matcher tool to highlight value bets, and then place bets on them, it really is as simple as that. You could in theory do it manually by constantly checking bookie odds and exchange odds although that would be very hard to do for both win and place markets simultaneously, and you’d obviously be limited to doing it for 1 race at a time unless you are some sort of Rain Man type genius.
For the price of £18 a month having OddsMonkey do this automatically for you over every single race of the day, is an absolute no brainer 🙂
Cheers!
Brilliant post really helpful, can I ask do you just use this more so than matched betting? Looking forward to part 2
Regards
Danny
Hi Danny,
Yea I’ve pretty much stopped normal matched betting nowadays. I find the time investment is not really worth it for most. When I see a great offer that is easy to do and/or has a potential big payout, I will go for it. For example the Bet365 World Cup “Penalty Payback” offer is simply amazing so I have filled my boots on that one.
Also, the each way sniping is far more fun, which helps 🙂
Cheers!
Great round up. Have been having some success with the Extra Place Matcher strategy, but it is hard work compared to this strategy it seems.
When you refer to the rating column, are you talking the “rating” column or the “Arb Rating” column.
Hi IJBetting,
It’s the “Rating” column, otherwise I’d have written “Arb Rating” 😉
I’ll add that clarification to the main text though so thanks for raising the point!
Just so you know, Arb Rating means the expected value of only the win part of the bet, Rating is combination of both the win and place part. OddsMonkey says that you should avoid bets with an Arb Rating of over 100% if you want to fly under the radar for longer with bookies but I think that with so many bookmakers out there nowadays, I am just backing everything I can that fits the selection criteria I laid out above.
Cheers!
Thanks for the clarification.
I thought it would be “rating” not “arb rating” but you went straight into talking about “arbs” in the paragraph and I was suddenly paralysed by indecision.
Hi IJB,
Sorry if my first line came across as a bit sarcy there… was just trying (and failing) to be funny 🙂
Yea see what you mean now I’ve re-read it. To be fair the OddsMonkey have labelled them pretty ambiguously there haven’t they!? As they are both actually Arb ratings really!
They should have called them “Combined Rating” and “Win only Rating” or something like that.
Anyway I’ve edited that section so it is hopefully 100% clear on what they both mean now.
Cheers again for bringing it up.
LOL, don’t worry about the first line of your original reply, you gave me an emoji, I knew what you meant.
My wife would say I am far too obsessed with implied meanings in sentences….its a problem of mine….A bit more “face value” thinking wouldn’t go amiss when I read things. Too old for new tricks now though.
Having a terrible time with the EW No Lay strategy so far. Fair warning was given though, so I am riding out the variance and waiting for my profits….
Thanks for replying and relieved you didn’t think I was being an arse 🙂
Yes it seems I picked a bad time to post this, my July so far has been totally rubbish… However… today I’ve hit a number of winners and am now well in profit for the month! Hopefully you played today and made hay as well.
Cheers
I made £11 worth of hay….need a few more of those to make up for all of the hay i lost so far! Roll on today and tomorrow.
If I’m new to all of this, would you recommend sticking to regular matched betting before playing each way due to the sign-up offers available?
Hi Dave,
Actually yes I would, 100%! There is a lot of easy and risk free money to be made on the sign up offers before you have to get anywhere near doing more risky strategies like this one. Also it will help you to get an idea about betting in general, how the sites all work, and build a foundation knowledge before you come onto other stuff like this.
Cheers!
Great article. Just one question. The selection criteria throws up lots of potential bets but the bookies are sometimes very quick to change their odds. Do you go ahead with a bet which meets the original selection criteria even if the odds have subsequently changed?
Thanks Lee!
Great question… The easy answer is a bit fat NO. Because if the odds have changed then it is likely the selection criteria is now not met. This is assuming the odds have gone down and not up, of course. I don’t think I’ve ever seen odds go up though while actually trying to get a bet on. They may subsequently go up later on in the day but generally selections from the each way matcher are there because the odds on the exchanges are going down and bookies are a bit behind (some are just randomly selections for a long time though and odds seemingly don’t get cut, but again it’s unlikely they’ll actually go up).
There are a few nuances such as that if the rating was so high, say 120% and the odds have changed only a bit (say being cut from 22/1 into 20/1) then the selection criteria would still be met, so just use your own judgement on those ones.
Safe to say though if something it on 98% and the odds have been cut, it is overwhelmingly unlikely to still be a selection.
There is one final nuance to that last point and that is if the exchange odds continue to dive rapidly… it still might be a selection!!!! If in doubt click on the Exchange win and place and try to make a quick judgement. If say the odds are cut from 10.0 into 9.0 and it’s now 8.8 on the exchange, it’s probably still a selection. Pretty simple really and only an extra quick check is needed.
If in doubt though and/or you haven’t got time to manually check I’d just leave it. It’s very tempting to back the selection even if the odds have been cut (the whole “but what if its the winner!?” feeling), but you are just eroding your edge so it’s best to just not back those ones (nuances mentioned above notwithstanding of course).
Hope that all makes sense!
Cheers!
Any advice as to how you would distribute your starting bank across however many bookies you begin with? E.g., if you start with 4 bookies and your bank is £100 would you advise putting £25 in each account or do you keep your bank separate and just deposit into the relevant bookie when the right bets come along? Tracking it all seems to be the time consuming part but I guess in many way similar to matched betting. Thanks for the guide and the impending part 2!
Hi Dan,
Good question. I’d just stick a tenner in each one to begin with as that will cover 10 bets on each with 50p each way stakes or 5 with £1 each way, should be enough to get you started. After that just top up as and when you need. You will find certain bookies tend to have way more selections than others (Bet365 always have loads I find) so it doesn’t really make sense to split it evenly I don’t think.
And it can be pretty random who has the most bets on any given day as well. Plus you don’t know in advance on what account your winners will come on so you will probably have to do some withdrawing after a big winner and redepositing into a losing bookie account to balance it out.
In terms of keeping my bank separate, I don’t do that, it is all just sourced from money in my main matched betting bank account (which is totally separate from my current account). My bank is a virtual one and I just said “Right my bank is £1000” at the start and if I lost that amount, I would have probably just given up with the experiment. Obviously if you’d rather keep a separate bank though then go for it, as it would keep things simpler!
Tracking it only seems time consuming I find if I’ve done a load of bets on my phone then have to remember all the accounts and write them down in the evening or even worse the day after, although with only ever 8 or so account in play at any time, it’s not really that hard to remember 🙂
Cheers!
Thanks for your response. One other question I had was regarding the selection criteria. Are the three bullet points you outlined three distinct ways to find your bets or do all three have to match before you consider a bet (e.g. a particular horse and race shows up in each criteria screen). Apologies if that is a stupid question! Thanks
No worries Dan.
They are three distinct criteria, so if a horse appears in any one of those situations, I will back it.
Thanks!
thanks for the guide- you encouraged me to get the finger out and start today – four out of my seven 0.5p ew snipes came in – good start!
Great start Edel!
May the odds ever be in your favour 🙂
Hey TFS
I hadn’t been reading blogs while I was away but made an exception when this popped up on my feed! Excellent write up – cheers! I’m not sure I could cope with a £1k loss over two days…I think it’s bad when it’s £100, haha!
Very interesting to read your strategy which does differ slightly from what I’ve been doing, which is one horse per race, min odds 6, max arb rating 100. I have tinkered about with other settings, including backing more than one horse per race but found my profits were better with just one. Maybe I’ll try out the >1 for Saturday races. I also use ‘dynamic staking’, again because my own experience is that my profits are better this way, plus I’m stake restricted on certain accounts. My best Placed came in at 125-1 and it was on a stake restricted account where I staked my max bet of 50p EW, although had it not been restricted, I’m not sure I would have put on more than a couple of quid!
I thought I’d try min odds of 5 these last couple of days and am up by £30 – losing a bit on placed seem to be worth it – not sure I’d go down to 4 though. My arb rating was previously 120 but I got gubbed by 3 bookies (Betbright, Blacktype and Sportingbet) and haven’t lost any since it’s at 100. I use around 10 different bookies, 50/50 gubbed/ungubbed.
I still do a bit of matched betting as the bit of profit there helps smooth out the EW variance during a bad run.
Looking forward to part 2!
Hey weenie,
Aw… glad to hear you made an exception for this haha 🙂
It’s all relative I guess on the stakes/winnings/losses. I don’t think I’ll go any higher. Not for a long while at least. Also I think any higher will lead to much quicker gubbings and it seems pointless as making decent money with current stakes.
Hmmm. It’s a good point on the Arb Rating. Although I would say in my experience that Sportingbet and Betbright are very quick to gub regardless, not sure about Blacktype.
I’ve totally ignore Arb Rating so far and have got about 3 months out of a Ladbrokes account, a Bet365 one, and a couple of William Hill ones.
Maybe I should be a bit more careful but I’d rather just smash into the really big arbs and risk getting accounts closed earlier when for all I know they might just be closed anyway, but I’ll definitely take that on board in the future so thanks for the headsup!
I don’t think the min odds thing is worth worrying about, 3/4/5/6 whatever it isn’t going to make much difference. Just do what you feel comfortable with and makes sense to you.
Agreed on the MB! I still am doing decent offers as and when I see them (although am still not laying any of my free bets off so it’s not really helping with the variance all that much… hahaha!)
Cheers and see you in part 2, will try to get it out this week! Lots more to write about as evidenced by all of these huge comments haha!
Hi, just wondering if i run the risk of loosing good accounts by putting on 0.5p bets on? have you had many gubbings for doing this?
My lowest stake since I started was £10 so I’m not in a very good position to answer that question. My feeling is that with such a low stake you should be fine, but if you are still using a good account to do proper matched betting offers on, it might be best to err on the side of caution and just keep those good accounts for the offers. Sure you have some “offer gubbed” accounts you can do the each way stuff on haven’t you? 🙂
So done this for 24 days, 234 bets @ 50p for a trial and down 11.15%. Only had 7 days where I have been in profit. Understand the principal but not panned out so far! Do you find there is a best time in relation to the race to put bets on? I do a lot in the morning before work so was wondering if there isn’t enough on the exchange to show the “value” bets? Seems a long streak to be down based on what you/ others are saying so not sure if the timing has an impact?
Hi cdkerr,
It’s true there is less liquidity in the markets early in the morning, so maybe those “picks” aren’t as strong as when there is more liquidity later on in the morning. What time exactly are you doing it?
I normally don’t go on there until about 9:30am, if that helps at all.
Cheers
115 bets yesterday and today, -£7.18 overall. Is that fairly typical? Yesterday was a buzz, ended the day nearly £50 up, today dreadful!
Hi L,
115 bets sounds very high to me, maybe you are going too far down the percentage ratings? Stick to the rules I mentioned above and I would be surprised if you ever get over 50 horses per day.
Cheers
Are there any bookies that you would avoid? For example, I’ve never heard of Bet3000. Is it trustworthy?
Sorry but I’ve never tried with that particular bookie so I can’t really comment. In my experience some are pretty useless for EWB as there are never any matches up in the matcher tool. But I’ve never come across a bookie (yet) that for example hasn’t paid out on any winnings. But if I do I will post it here!
Hi TFS
Sorry if this has been answered but i couldn’t see it anywhere. Is it wise to back the same horse E/W across several bookies if they are all hitting the Rating?
Thanks 🙂
Hi Adam,
Exactly what Dan and Chris H have said 🙂
Cheers!
In my opinion no as you are essentially increasing your risk – e.g. if you back that horse 5 times across different bookies and it loses that’s 5 full stakes gone on one outcome. Yes it could come in and you’d be laughing but we all know that each way betting results is a high proportion of losing bets versus winning ones. I would avoid if I were you
Well if the odds from each bookie are the same its pointless unless you have reached your maximum bet amount on the given bookie. If you do 5 x £2 across 5 bookies at odds of 4.0 that is exactly the same odds / risk / arb as doing £10 on a single bookie…
Thanks Dan, that makes sense, will try a change of tactics tomorrow.
I think I’m struggling to understand the importance of the exchanges when it comes to each way sniping. Presumably bets are placed with the bookie and not the exchange?
The exchange is used to calculate when you are getting a ‘value’ set of odds. If a rating of over 95% you are getting that value – you just need to bet with the bookie and over time the EV will give you a positive return (albeit with some bumps along the way).
I am newish to this so please anyone else correct me!
Hi Chris,
Yep you’ve nailed it, cheers for replying for me 🙂
Yeah me too
Great Post TFS,
As we are only backing a the bookies are you ever drawn more towards the ones that are offering payouts on extra places or are you only looking for horses that meet the right criteria. I’ve gone on the matcher today (14:00) and the horse odds range from 15 – 67 on the first page. Have I just left it too late in the day because my feeling is at those odds I have a limited chance of winning anything.
Hi Ali,
If there are certain bookies with extra places and the odds are the same, I see no harm in going for those ones. Often you will find the place divider is not as good (e.g. it will be 1/5th odds instead of 1/4) but often you may find you even just get an extra place for no downside at all, in which case it is a no brainer. If the odds are lower on the extra place though, I wouldn’t back it. Hope that makes sense!
Your second point seems to be a common question and one I’ve never really understood myself. The higher the odds of the horse, the more you win when they come in, so there is no need to worry about those horses having a limited chance of winning because when they come in the winnings more than make up for it. I tend to reduce stakes on anything around 40/1 and above though, so maybe you want to do that rather than going full stakes on those ones.
Think of it this way, would you rather back a horse at 20/1 that won 1 in every 10 races, or a horse at 5/1 that won 1 in every 6 races?
A value bet is a value bet, no matter what the odds are 🙂
Cheers
Hi, I have just stumbled across your blog whilst researching EW betting. I will be having a good read through as FIRE is something that definitely interests me.
Thank you for this post. I’ve done matched betting for about 4-5yrs on and off. I’ve looked numerous times at EW betting and at no lay accas, but have never bitten the bullet and tried it.
I am now really keen to try EW betting and will give it a go from Monday 1st April. I will sign up with OM today and get reading a bit more on there.
Good luck WhiteWitch!
Let me know if you have any specific questions now you’ve started. You picked a great time to start, March was horrendous for me results wise, but April has been superb, hopefully you have seen similar positive returns.
Cheers
Great thread, only started MB this year and having great fun with it, now branching out and read about EW no lay and found your thread.
I use the EW matcher and have filtered similar to your so see lots of entries come and go throughout the day. Some I can get on but others I have to wait and often when I am in a position to place the bet the rating has changed. Does this really matter if its dropped say from 105 rating down to 98, as long as its still within my own chosen criteria its still a good bet to place?
Hi Graham,
I would say as long as the percentage is still within your defined criteria you should still bet the horse. I often check manually on Betfair as well as sometimes the odds keep dropping and OddsMonkey is a bit slow, so a horse will still be a bet even if OM thinks it wouldn’t have been any more.
Also if a it’s a higher priced horse i.e. 16/1 or above I sometimes will just back it even if the percentage is a little lower, in case the odds continue to drop etc…
Good luck!
Cheers
Interesting method, are you still using this?
Hi Batman
Yes I am and it’s my main money maker. However I ended up writing my own software which finds and places the bets automatically for me.
Still a fair bit of work involved in opening accounts, setting up the bots and keeping them running, but it’s maybe taken 80% of the boring annoying work of actually placing bets out of the equation, which as you can imagine, is a pretty big game changer.
Bookies are limiting accounts faster than ever now that’s the only thing, so only use on accounts you don’t really care about using for anything else!!!!
Cheers