marathon april – income & expenses report
As the title suggests my thoughts and activities in April were dominated by running the London Marathon, but we also had quite a lot of other social engagements as well which made it a really fun month all round. But how did our other marathon, the slow jog to reach Financial Independence, get on?
expenses
Remember the figures below are in the current format: £Current Month (£2017 Monthly Average / £Monthly Average Target)
- Total £3187 (£3555 / £3210) – Another expensive month, and although it has actually brought our average down believe it or not, we haven’t had one under £3K yet this year. We need a couple of those at some point to if we’re to bring that average down to under target. May is not looking good either as we’ve got loads on again *grimacing face emoji*
- Mortgage £848 (£848 / £848) – At least somethings on target 😉
- Household £767 (£654 / £599) – Averaging £56 over target here but once again we need to get our groceries shop down. Somehow. I don’t know how! Has anyone else noticed their food shopping bills going up in the last year or so, or is it just me?
- Going out/Holiday £379 (£1073 / £750) – Although we had a lot on it was more family engagements which tend to work out fairly cheap overall, so a nice reversion (part way) back to the average this month.
- Transport £220 (£97 / £172) – 2 lots of Petrol and a small car repair bill this month.
- Personal Care £55 (£94 / £90) – Not much to say here really.
- Home/Garden £237 (£69 / £85) – We bought a few bits and plants for the garden, re-turfed our back lawn as it was looking horrendous, and bought a foot stool for the lounge, brand new as we couldn’t find any from the charity shops!
- Lifestyle £208 (£223 / £165) – Over budget here but £70 was cash which should have probably just gone under the going out section.
- Gifts/Charity £44 (£128 / £215) – Not much going on here for once and yet again I seriously need to pull my finger out on the charity front, or I’m going to face a big “charity bill” sometime soon.. heh 🙂
- Hobbies/Sport £229 (£160 / £150) – A big bill here this month mainly due to me having a golf competition with *the lads* down at Princes in Sandwich Bay. A lovely course and well worth the extra money spent! Also signed up for another half marathon in July to keep me running after the big event of the Marathon is over.
- Admin £8 (£2 / £10)
- Financial £5 (£122 / £57) – The average is slowly coming back down to normal now after that horrendous tax bill in January!
- Children £187 (£85 / £70) – A big splurge by TFS Jr this month! 🙂 We had to buy a new car seat as she’s growing out of her old one. Finding a second hand one in decent nick is actually quite hard as they do last a long time which ironically means they get destroyed by most kids by the end of their lives. So we swallowed it and bought a new one, it was £150 but Mrs T hustled it down to £130 from Toys R Us as they had a £20 off deal if you spent over £100 (thought I’d mentioned it in case anyone else out there randomly needed something for a kid for over £100!). It lasts like 5 years or something so seems like a good investment (and it’s the law… haha).
I was at first a bit disappointed that it was another expensive month, but there were a couple of medium one of expenses in there. Even though May is looking like another doozy initially, I am still optimistic we can actually come in under £3K. Fingers crossed!
income
Figures in the same format as expenses…
- Total £4121 (£4816 / £3657) – Another month where we’ve beat the target nicely.
- TFS Income £2360 (£2186 / £2140) – Not bad.
- Mrs T Income £533 (£682 / £600) – It looks like Mrs T is going to slowly go down back below her “target” here but they’ve messed up her tax code which means she’ll get a rebate soon, which will bump it back up, then her normal pay will be around the £600 mark.
- Solar Panels £96 (£44 / £45) – Solar Panels FTW!
- Cashback Credit Cards £10 (£2 / £8) – A small amount maybe but not bad for just spending what we’d normally spend. Oh to have the travel hacking opportunities of the US FI crowd though 🙂
- Ratesetter £6 (£18 / £0) – Not much going on here this month, just the usual trickle of interest from my £1000 invested. If you want to sign up and take advantage of the £50 sign up bonus which is still ongoing, use this link here (<– obviously it’s a referral link!) or read my post on it for more info.
- The House Crowd £72 (£18 / £0) – Received the yearly payout of dividends/interest on some of the properties/loans I’ve invested into via The House Crowd. I’ve written a few articles on them if you want more info, they are grouped under this tag link here: The House Crowd.
- Child benefit £82 (£82 / £82)
Matched Betting / Gambling Hustles £934 (£1746 / £750)
If anyone is interested I use Odds Monkey matched betting software (<–affiliate link) for this, which having tried a few different ones out there, I found to be a far superior product in pretty much every way to everything else I tried. Check it out if you are new to matched betting, there are loads of great tutorials to get you going and you can try it for free. One of the best things about it is the Forum/Community aspect as you can learn loads of new and interesting ways to profit from gambling that aren’t just your standard “Do offer, lay off, get free bet, lay off, win £3.50” type of, let’s face, quite boring, time consuming and laborious matched betting methods. Some of these methods are what helped me to have a bumper Cheltenham 2017! Now, back to the update!
There weren’t that many highlights this month as I took a bit of a break after a manic March on this front but from what I can remember:
- Re-instating my years old “Golf Betting System (TM)” on Betfair which got a few winners for a few hundred pounds each. Please note this is straight up gambling so I won’t be revealing my system and/or encouraging others to do it! It used to make money but I quit after deciding it took too much time and was too stressful, but I’m now doing it more casually and for smaller stakes so hoping it can be more sustainable and fun.
- A few residual profits from offers I did in March that hadn’t quite settled in time came through in April, so that was the bulk of the other profits.
- That’s it! Sorry, a bit boring this month compared to last month!
savings rate, net worth and all of that rigmarole
Pretty happy with a savings rate of 29.41% which keeps our average around the 30% mark at 31.79%
Net worth did some of this:
Excluding house equity: £141,053 / +£183 / +0.13%
Including house equity: £219,870 / +£643 / +0.29%
Liquid Freedom: £65,374 / £169 / +0.26%
Other Updates
blog updates
You may or may have not noticed a post that looked suspiciously like a paid post I published the other day and I wanted to apologise to all readers for that! I didn’t enjoy the whole thing and it wasn’t worth the money in the end 1, so I’m now officially updating my stance to not accepting paid posts that aren’t written by me, and you have my word on that. If people want to pay me for writing stuff where I have control over what I decide to write about (given a brief) then I will still do that but I won’t be accepting straight up blatant paid posts as I don’t think it fits here. I did have another idea though and I want to float it to people/fellow bloggers. As I’m sure my fellow bloggers have noticed, the amount of offers you get each week for paid posts seems to be rather large and it seems to be an easy potential source of income, so I thought I might just set up another website and funnel any paid post opportunities that way and see how much income it can generate, and if advertisers will go for a blog/site that has little traffic (compared to this one at least). My gut feeling is that they don’t care too much where their content goes but it will be an interesting experiment to find out.
What are you thoughts on this guys!? I know a lot of these types of things are just low quality articles intended to either gain SEO link juice or sign people up through links embedded into the page, but on the other hand… £££ 🙂
other updates
Golf – I played in our first “Major” golf tournament 2 of the year, which I won! Which was nice.
Alcohol – I drank an average of 21.29 units/week in April, which is slightly more than I would have hoped for given an upcoming marathon. And you’d think most of that was after April 23rd (which would be some week long bender if it was) but no… you’d be wrong there as it is amazing how quickly 2/3 beers a couple of times a week adds up! Anyway it didn’t do me any harm by the looks of things so all good here.
Marathon – This post is already quite long so I’ll indulge myself and write up a whole post just on this I think. Stay tuned for it! A small bit of info though, I managed to beat my target of 3:30 and got a time of 3:28 so was very happy about that, and was OK enough to have a quick pint afterwards. A big thanks again to all of you blog readers who sponsored me, and if anyone else out there wants to chuck a few pennies my way for Young Epilepsy, here is the link one last time*:
*Actually probably not seeing as I’ll do another post about the whole day haha.
How was your April? Hope you all smashed it!
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Discussion (25) ¬
I’m impressed by the matched betting/gambling hustles figure for April, whatever your betting systems are it looks like they are definitely working!
Cheers! I’ve written up a bit about what I’m doing already and will do a FAQ on it soon I think so can point people there if they have any questions.
Unfortunately a lot of it is probably not very repeatable for most people, but the point stands that you can easily make £500/month just by doing normal matched betting offers, if you put a bit of graft into it.
Hi TFS,
Congrats on at least keeping a positive savings rate despite the expenses, and congratulations again on the marathon!
I’ve not noticed food costs going up much but I think we have it as locked down as possible for us as it is – excluding eating out of course!
In terms of the paid post, it was fairly obvious it wasn’t your style, and I will admit… I didn’t even read it! I am not sure if they would pay for the content to sit on a separate site as its one step removed from your main readers but it could be an interesting experiment!
April was an interesting one, a few expensive nights out, but for me, worth it 🙂
Good luck for May….
Cheers,
FiL
Hi mate, thanks for the comment as usual!
“and I will admit… I didn’t even read it!” – Haha I was kinda hoping that would happen by the time I finally posted it. Lesson learnt!
I’ve been replying to all requests in the last month with a “not on here, but would you like to post on my new site which is coming out soon” kind of email, which I don’t think any of them have replied to yet, so maybe you’re right. Maybe I need to actually get a web address and get a few posts up first to get any interest. Any ideas on a URL? http://www.guestpostjunkyard.com maybe? 🙂
A marathon… great achievement. My running April was a 5,5 km dragonrun! beat that 😉
Keep us posted on the other website. I suspect that traffic/ranking might be a factor for them decide on paying or not.
Not sure what the dragonrun is but it sounds fun 🙂
Will do once I get something up and running.
Regarding your exclamation about not knowing how to get your food bill down; you may have already read this detailed post by MMM: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/03/29/killing-your-1000-grocery-bill/ He takes it right down to the cost of individual calories which is pretty esoteric but eye-opening.
One thing in that post that chimed with me was that MMM and his family are on a high fat-low carb (hflc) diet. Now I switched to this diet in January 2016 and by the end of November 2016 I’d lost five and a half stone. This has been great for the car’s fuel economy 😄 but was an expensive year for clothes – although I got about half my new togs from charity shops and gave most of my old clothes to charity shops too.
Anyway, enough showing off… The point is that an interesting result in being on a hflc diet is that I eat a lot less than I used to. I now only eat two meals a day and I no longer snack between meals. And no willpower is needed. I just don’t feel hungry as often as I used to and cravings are a thing of the past. The upshot is that I’ve been buying less food than I used to which has led to a lower weekly food bill.
Because of this change mine and my partner’s joint account has been in a big surplus for a while now and we’re both discussing lowering our monthly contributions to it. This could help me get closer to a 50% savings rate.
So a pretty big lifestyle change here to help lower your food bill but big changes are what FiRe’s all about, right?
Hi CB,
Yea of course I read that one 😉 but maybe it’s worth another read.
MMM’s food bill is about $500/month which is probably about the same as mine once you apply the exchange rate, so draw from that your own conclusions I guess – although you can obviously argue he is retired (and very wealthy now!) whereas I am most certainly not so my bill should be a lot lower than his.
The HFLC diet does sound interesting but I have two problems:
1) Trying to get Mrs T onto it full time would be impossible I think.
2) I have a mega sweet tooth so I don’t think I’d want to do it anyway 🙂
Combined with the fact that I can’t put on weight if I try (sorry to anyone reading, I know this fact is very annoying to 99% of people!) I just don’t think it’s for me, although I’ve taken on board the general idea behind it and we do try to eat low or no carb meals a few times a week.
“Big changes are what FiRe’s all about, right?” – I do agree but I think you’ve got to look at the possible benefits compared to anything negative. In your situation you’ve got a positive (losing weight) as well as saving money so it’s all good. In my case I could maybe shave £100/month off the bill by drastically altering our diet, which I don’t think I’d enjoy and certainly wouldn’t lose any weight because of it (and wouldn’t want to). So the downsides here don’t seem to be worth it.
I think I need to just accept the fact that since having TFS Junior there are a few factors in play:
1) An extra mouth to feed
2) Harder to go out now so we’re entertaining more, hence larger food bill
3) Alcohol also goes under the banner of groceries so see point two above also
I think when you consider all of the above then £350-£400 average/month doesn’t seem so bad but maybe I’m just trying to post-rationalise our wasteful spending in this category.
One final point on that, we almost never chuck food away, so in that sense, the spending is never “wasted” at least.
Cheers again for the suggestions, really appreciate it 🙂
Hi Mr Firestarter,
I have a somewhat unrelated question about where your mortgage fits in the savings percentage. I remember you wrestled similarly with pensions a while back. It looks like you put the mortgage down as an expense, but then it seems like you’re doing yourself a disservice because other bloggers who are simply renting will not eventually own that house whereas you will. That is, you’re effectively investing in an asset which will pay your rent for you one day.
Personally I consider the repayment part of the mortgage as a saving (because it’s like investing in an asset) and the interest part of the mortgage as an expense. But even that doesn’t quite work because hopefully when I retire I’ll also have finished paying off the mortgage so this expense will disappear, which sort of means my savings percentage should be higher.. Do you see what I’m saying? I’m getting in a right muddle!
Thanks,
Wephway
Hi Wephway,
I have indeed also wrestled with this exact question a couple of years ago, so yea I know exactly what you are saying!
I tried to work out a formula where you could input your mortgage details and it would spit out how much extra %age on your savings rate that was worth, but, well I got in a right muddle. Maybe I need to revisit that with a fresh pair of eyes and see if I can crack it again.
If it helps at all here is the original post on it, have a read and see if you can get a Eureka moment from it? Let me know if you do! 🙂
http://thefirestarter.co.uk/conclusive-proof-house-included-net-worth/
Please note I’m not too sure of the posts assertive title any more 🙂 so please ignore that, but definitely still think mortgage payments should count for some sort of positive uplift to your savings rate %age figures.
Also this is the original post that got me thinking about it all:
http://thefirestarter.co.uk/calculating-savings-rate/
Cheers
Hey! Thanks for replying. So I’ve been trying to work it out over the last couple of weeks and I think I’ve come to a (sort of) solution. Feel free to use this is you think it works. Basically I treat my house as though it were a rental property – this has 3 effects:
1. I pay myself rent. I don’t actually move any money around but according to my spreadsheet my income has increased, but also my expenses have increased. This actually reduces my savings rate, but it makes sense, if I were to buy a larger house then my savings rate will be lower. For someone who wants a more expensive house that’s fine but they’ve gotta accept it’ll take longer to get to Fire.
2. The repayment part of my mortgage counts as a saving. Fairly self explanatory, ultimately I’m saving towards an asset that will one day pay my rent for me.
3. The interest part of the mortgage is a reduction in my income. I don’t treat the interest as an expense, I just reduce my income. It sounds a bit odd but this is is what I would do if it were a rental property I rented to someone else. I would take the rent received and minus the interest and that is my income. And when I get to Fire the mortgage will be paid off so it won’t be an expense then so it shouldn’t be now. One positive side effect of this is that the time to Fire may be shorter (I haven’t quite worked out the maths of this yet) – over time the repayment part of the mortgage will increase and the interest part decrease, so effectively my income and savings will increase automatically.
So, for example under the old method (ie the mortgage is treated as an expense) if I have an income of 2000, I save 600, my mortgage is 800 and I spend 600, my savings rate would be 30%. Under the new method assuming the rent would he 800, and the mortgage is split 50/50 repayment and interest, my new income would be 2400 (2000 + 800 rent – 400 mortgage interest), I’d have spent 1400 (600 + 800 rent) and I would have saved 1000 (600 + 400 mortgage repayment) so my new savings rate would be 42%. Which I think is a fairer reflection of the actual savings rate.
Does that make sense? What do you think?
Cheers,
Wephway
Having said all that, I’m not sure if investment income should be counted towards the savings rate so I may be looking at this completely the wrong way! Maybe investment income (in this case a rental investment) should be considered as a reduction on the expenses side of the equation? So when I’ve fired and my investment income cancels out my expenses then my savings rate (if I had any extra income) would be 100%…
I’ve been doing some more thinking and I’ve decided that passive income should be kept in a separate column to ‘active’ income, and that passive income should effectively reduce my expenses. My reasoning is this – if my passive income was greater than my expenses then that would mean I could Fire and I’d be saving 100% of any ‘active’ income.
According to my ‘pay myself rent’ theory my passive income is increased (because I’m receiving rent) and my expenses are increased as well (because I’m paying rent). However if the expenses are reduced by passive income, then the rent is effectively cancelled out of the equation. Similarly I think the interest part of the mortgage should lower the passive income total (not my expenses), but since the passive income is used to reduce expenses then it’s effectively an expense anyway.
All those mental hurdles basically leaves me back where I was before – the interest part of the mortgage is an expense, the repayment part of the mortgage is a saving. However treating passive income as an expense reducer (rather than an income increaser) does make the savings rate appear better. In my example above my active income would be 2000 and my passive income 400 (800 rent – 400 interest), my expenses would be 1400 (800 rent + 600), and, as the passive income reduces the expense to 1000 then my savings rate is now 50%.
Anyway I realise I’m probably just talking to myself now so I’ll stop clogging up your comments section with my inane ramblings!
Hi Wephway,
You are most definitely not talking to yourself, thanks again for writing out your thoughts – Sam below commented on them as well so you have at least 2 people interested in them 🙂
I think the way you are doing it is one way to do it and possibly the best way in fact (and one that I’ve not thought of before). However I’d have to knock up a spreadsheet to confirm that the 50% savings rate was legit… I am not so sure that it should bump it all the way up from 30% to 50%, my spreadsheets normally suggested an uplift of about 3 to 8% range so I’d be surprised if it was really a 20% uplift, however you have given hypothetical figures with nice round numbers so it might just simply be because of that.
The main issue I have with any of this is working out what the interest and capital repayment is each month as it is not the same every month, and I’m just not sure I can be bothered to check this each month (I know this is quite easy to work out or check on your mortgage account, but considering I was never sure exactly how once I had, it should be included into the savings rate calc anyway, it just didn’t seem worth it, so far).
When I get some time I’m definitely going to revisit these calculations and my old spreadsheets and see if I can compare your way, with a few others, and see what model best seems to fit the reality of the savings rate figures.
Just to clarify, when I say the savings rate figures I am talking about the one that is directly related to the number of years to FIRE. They should be directly related, so I should be able to work out whether any particular method of including the mortgage stuff into the savings rate calcs is correct by manually working out when you would FIRE (including paying off mortgage) with future projections of monthly income, expenses and investment income, and seeing if that matches the implied time to FIRE from the calculated savings rate.
I hope that makes sense but apologies if not, I’m also rambling now! 🙂
Just a quick note on your “do I include passive income in the income column”…
I’ve just written another large comment out saying yes you could do, but having just worked through it in my brain no, you definitely shouldn’t! So yea you are 100% correct by offsetting it against expenses there and when that column = 0 then you are FIRE’d.
This is quite a good epiphany actually, as I always thought that you should really add all investment income into the income column and work out your savings rate from there and that would go up slowly to 100% which meant you are FIRE’d. But that cannot be possible because you will always have some expenses so you will never achieve a 100% savings rate…
Well, unless your expenses are zero…. *PING* – which they can be if you offset passive income onto your expenses as you have done.
You sir/madam are a Genius! Thanks and yet again I will incorporate this into a new spreadsheet and post on the subject ASAP!
Well done on the marathon!
We haven’t noticed costs rising – we’ve spent an average of £153 per month over the last twenty months, including cleaning, toiletries and cat food. I attribute those low costs to being veggie, and also giving up drinking at home (any alcohol is now considered a treat and comes out of personal spends…does wonders for the waistline!)
I really must read up on matched betting – what a nice little earner!
That’s amazing LMM, especially including the toiletries etc.
I think being a veggie is definitely the way to properly lower your food bill. We have experimented with trying one veg meal per day etc in the past, so maybe will do that again soon.
As mentioned above we do include alcohol in our grocery spend which is not going to help (sure we spend far more than you do by the sounds of it for a start!) but will skew our figures a little bit.
Cheers for the inspiration!
Hey TFS, I noticed you said you have been using a site called ‘the house crowd’, well I have been using a similar site called Lendy (formerly known saving stream) for about 2 years now and have consistently earned 12% interest on all property loans so I was just wondering how does that compare to your results from ‘the house crowd’ ? I also have a referral link for anyone interested which you can get from my blog post https://bloggingformylifeuk.wordpress.com/2017/06/05/peer-to-peer-lending-june-update/ , any investment over £1000 gets a £50 sign up bonus which is well worth making the most of as it’s an easy £50 to make. Let me know what you think, and keep up the awesome work with the site ! 🙂
Hi Jacob,
Cheers for the hat tip to Lendy (great name… haha!)
I’ll check it out soon!
Hi, just started reading your blog, can you explain how you get appx 30% saving rate?
I’m at 25% and don’t know what else we could cut, we have similar income but lower expenses, hence I don’t know how you got a higher savings on rate.
Hi Sam,
It’s probably because the “Income” I state above does not include pension savings, which I do account for when calculating the savings rate (as you should do).
See my post here: http://thefirestarter.co.uk/calculating-savings-rate/
Which explains a bit further but I guess I could be a little more explicit in each update on why the savings rate is higher than the income implies it should be, or I could just include the pension “income” in my total income figure. I am putting “income” in quote marks because although its certainly part of your remunerations package at work and so is definitely income, you can’t spend it so it is automatic savings so doesn’t really feel like income.
Of course if you don’t have a work pension or are self employed or something so have to do your own SIPP, then your calculations might be a bit different to mine.
And Wephway, I love your thoughts.
Sorry me again, i think what I’m asking, is you have a difference of roughly a £1000, do you put that into an ISA? So that’s part of your savings rate? Then the rest of the savings rate is pension and mortgage!
No worries Sam… 🙂
I don’t do anything specific with the difference, it is just the difference between income and expenses, to either be put into and ISA, a SIPP, or just left as cash to do something else with or even for future expenses. But you are right the rest of it is pension, but not mortgage, yet… although Wephway’s comments above might cause me to reconsider that.
Hope that clears everything up but if not give me another shout 🙂